<p>I've been here in USA for almost tow years and i still didn't pas the Tofel Iwant to know if their is any college or University dosen't requierd any ToFel for International student</p>
<p>harvard doesnt require the toefl for international applicants</p>
<p>really !! can you give me the website for that University?</p>
<p>brazilian ur not really helping =S I think shaker is asking for serious advice.</p>
<p>Shaker: Maybe you will need to start your studies at a community college, or there are some universities that offer ESL classes to the students who don't meet the language proficiency. You could look at SUNY, portland state universitiy.</p>
<p>...and that is the story of how shaker ali ended up at Harvard.</p>
<p>Sorry, I'm not making fun of you, I just loved the fact you haven't heard about it and the perfect way you put it, the fact you don't speak English that well. It's not meant as a ditch, the whole exchange just ended up sounding very very funny :)</p>
<p>andriuxs I agree with everything you said,ahahahahaha x)
its very funny that shake doesnt know harvard,xD
so,let me ask you something andriuxs,are you already studying in the U.S</p>
<p>well guys i know about Harverd but i am asking serious qeustion because i have a scholership and require me to enter the college so i can get the scholership</p>
<p>"Caltech exempts the TOEFL International students who have studied in the United States for two or more years."
Johns Hopkins, Cornell - exempt if you score over 670 on the CR portion of SAT
Williams College, Middlebury, Stanford, (Harvard?), MIT - encouraged but not required
Amherst - exempt if 700+ CR.
Columbia + (i THINK Carnegie mellon)- exempt if 650+ CR
Brown - exempt if 600+ CR</p>
<p>what is CR?</p>
<p>The Critical Reading section of the SAT.</p>
<p>A few low-tier colleges and a few top-tier colleges do not require TOEFL.</p>
<p>The former, you wouldn't love to be in them.</p>
<p>BTW, why aren't you taking the TOEFL ?</p>
<p>if your score in CR of SAT I is above 600, you dont need to take the toefl for some colleges. but if you want to get in ivies, it has to be above 700. :) just start researching shaker:) collegeboard.com should help you there</p>
<p>I'm an international student who did not submit (or even take) the TOEFL, but I've lived in the United States for six years, aced my high school English courses, and scored 800 on Critical Reading, 710 on Writing, and 750 on the Literature Subject Test. I didn't think it would be necessary or relevant. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I guess though that he won't be able to score 600+ on CR if he cannot even get a "passing" (usually 80+ on the iBT) TOEFL score. And most schools require more than two years of residency in the States before waiving the TOEFL requirement.</p>
<p>shaker ali, if you cannot get a passing grade on the TOEFL, are you sure you can handle college work which involves a lot of reading and a ton of writing (like a 5 page paper every week for just one class)? I agree with andriuxs that you should work on your English first by enrolling in an ESL (English as a Second Language) program at a cheap community college.</p>
<p>I got 800 on CR too, but the UCs still wanted me to take the TOEFL, so I did (and got 114 / 120, eff the Speaking Section.)</p>
<p>I think you need to take the TOEFL to have a decent chance.</p>
<p>hi again i 've been studying for almost tow years and the University that i want to enroll they have an english program and they still want me to take the tofel so i might go to college so i will take 60 houres and transfer to any University</p>
<p>You have to differentiate two different ESL approaches. There is one where you take ESL classes exclusively and you usually don't take the TOEFL for that kind of program (unless for placement purposes). The other type incorporates a mix of ESL and regular college classes so your English must be good enough at the beginning of the program. I guess the university you are interested in offers the latter but as you apparently cannot get the minimum TOEFL score they require (60?), the former option may better suit your needs at this point.</p>
<p>even if d univ doesn't require toefl, international students havta take it coz its a must in order 2 get a visa...atleast dis is d case in india</p>
<p>That's not true. You don't need to prove your fluency if you participate in an ESL program (see below) and in all other cases you are permitted to provide other scores (see below too). The IELTS, for example, very good SAT scores, having studied in an English speaking environment for a set number of years etc.</p>
<p>From the website of the US consulate in Germany:
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The student, unless coming to participate exclusively in an English language training program, must either be sufficiently proficient in English to pursue the intended course of study, or the school must have made special arrangements for English language courses or teach the course in the student's native language.
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<p>From the website of the US consulate in Chennia, India:
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Am I required to take the TOEFL and GRE tests to qualify for a visa, even if my university did not require them?</p>
<p>Students whose prospective university does not require that they take the TOEFL or GRE should provide a letter from the university stating the same. However, the Consulate strongly recommends that all student visa applicants provide standardized test scores. Because the majority of U.S. colleges and universities require these exams, applying only to universities that do not require them severely limits a student’s choices of prospective schools.
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<p>No TOEFL required if your university does not require it.</p>
<p>barium is right. as long as your medium of instruction in your school is primarily english throughout your high school life and/or you score high on the SAT you dont need to take the TOEFL.</p>
<p>as for ESL, that's why it's called english as a second language, because the people enrolled arent expected to be totally fluent. shaker, just enroll in ESL classes, or plain english classes anywhere. im sure they have some there wherever it is you live. :)</p>