University of Cambridge USA Admissions

Hey guys,

I’m a junior in a competitive, public, NJ High School. I am interested in applying to Cambridge at the end of the year, but I’m still a little fuzzy on the details. I’ve read through both their websites extensively, but I just want some clarification

  1. For Cambridge, is it a requirement to have received 5s on FIVE AP exams to be only considered, or granted admission?

I am taking these AP Exams this year:
AP Calculus AB
AP Biology
AP English - Language and Composition
AP Computer Science
AP Psychology
AP Environmental Science

I am confident that I can earn 5s in Psych, Calc, Enviro, and Comp Sci because I have been practicing for them before I even entered 11th grade

  1. Also, for Cambridge, is receiving a 2100+ on the SAT the minimum for guaranteed admission (with AP scores) or only for consideration?

My SAT: 2330 (Single Sitting)

  1. Is GPA really irrelevant?

I have read an another forum that they dismiss transcript because for international applicants from the US, they examine only Standardized tests.

  1. Recommendations? Extracurricular?

Do they really not care?! It bums me out because of all the summer research I did and the clubs I started.

Prospective Major: Biological Sciences - Natural Sciences.

Last thing, for my major ^… Cambridge vs Oxford - I’ve already researched that Cambridge is slightly superior in the natural sciences department, but just for anyone who has experience.

For anyone who wants some background:

I’m applying to Cambridge because, of course, it’s one the most renowned research institutions in the world, and I’m EXTREMELY interested in their specialized-major plan. I also like the fact that undergrad is only 3 years opposed to 4. After I graduate, I want to do my PhD in the US and continue research.

Feel free to ask any clarifying questions and thanks.

As I understand it, getting 5 on APs (or 700 SAT II tests) in 5 related subjects and scoring 2100 in the SAT I are the minimum for consideration. If these were the only requirements for admission, then there would hundreds/thousands of Americans studying there. The acceptance rate for non-EU internationals is about 8%. So, its pretty tough.

Remember also that it 5 APs or SAT II test of RELATED subjects in your area of concentration. Its not just any AP or SAT II test. So if you want to major in Biological Sciences the APs or SAT IIs that would be related are Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Calculus (since Math is needed in Science), maybe Statistics, etc. They would not count your 5s in English, Spanish, US History, World History, etc And you can’t double dip on the same subject (eg. AP Bio and Biology Subject test–that counts as one test of the 5 related subjects needed).

They only care about EC related to your major. And in general GPA is irrelevant since they don’t know the grading system in the US, and the perception of most (in the world, not just the British) is that there is significant grade inflation in the US, for right or wrong.

Hope this helps. There is a separate forum for Oxbridge applicants.

@alcibiade has a daughter at Cambridge and has a useful post on her admissions process.

  1. For Cambridge 5 scores of 5 on APs are necessary but not sufficient for admission. Note that for Natural Sciences,

Environmental Science will NOT fulfill the science requirement. So, at a minimum you need a 5 in Bio & Calc to be a contender. If you are taking chemistry or physics as a senior you can be very sure that any offer you get will be conditional on getting a 5 in it.

  1. There is NO SUCH THING as guaranteed admission to Cambridge. For anybody. It is a series of hurdles: you get the standardized test scores and a good PS and rec and you get to interview. You get the scores on the admissions tests that about half of Cam colleges have at interview for NatSci and you ace the interview (which is a cross between an oral exam and a tutorial) and you could an offer, which would almost certainly be conditional on specific AP scores your senior year (in your case probably physics or chem).
  2. Cam likes a solid GPA but otherwise they don't care.
  3. Recommendation comes from your school GC or equivalent, and yes, it matters. ECs also matter- *to the extent that they relate to your subject*. So you use your science research in your PS. Clubs won't matter.
  4. For your subject: do yourself a huge favor and go actually read - thoroughly- the course descriptions of biological/natural sciences at both Oxford and Cambridge: the differences in their rankings are tiny (and the two schools trade places regularly), but the differences in the actual courses are substantial. You will find a pretty detailed breakdown of your courses year by year for both places. And btw, Biological Sciences is a 4 year course (most lab sciences are 4 years at both Oxford and Cambridge).

Desperate, that’s quite a name you chose for yourself.

If you look in my posts, I describe the process my d went through. (She is American, but applied from France as a EU resident, so there are important differences.) I would encourage anyone who is qualified to apply, Oxbridge is absolutely first rate - for mature, serious students who know what they want to do.

Collegemom really knows what she is talking about. We both like to help those interested in Oxbridge.

Thank you for the well-written responses.

@collegemom3717 I thought that the Natural Sciences Framework was 3 years and 2 parts, and that the optional 4th year and part III was MSci?

@alcibiade Yup, I’ve read other discussions about OxBridge and I’ve seen you two around. You are very knowledgeable.

I have some more questions:

If I take the AP Calculus, AP Biology, and AP Psych tests, it is absolutely conditional that I get two more 5s, suppose, Physics, Stat, or AP Calc C in my SENIOR year?

How would that work out?; AP exams are after US college decision deadlines!!!

Also, would Calc C interfere with AB?

These are the classes I am required to take next year:

AP Literature
AP Calculus C
AP Physics

I have 3 other blocks, which I can fill with:

AP Statistics
AP Chemistry
AP Government and Politics

What combination would you recommend? And what about the college decision deadline issue? I can’t be the only one with this dilemma. I can guarantee five 5s, but I’m not sure I can get them in their 5 subjects.

I am very serious about my future science education, which is one of the reasons I am applying to OxBridge and their specialized major system.

What if I miss the condition by one 5?! I’ll be SCREWED

Also, does a bad GPA affect admissions chances? If so, what is considered a bad GPA?

Alsoooo, if I meet all the requirements now, are they required to give me an offer? And then would the interview make it or break it?

So, let’s take it from the top:

=> nonnonononononono. Cambridge is NEVER required to give anybody an interview, much less an offer! The required qualifications (achieved or predicted) are a minimum to get to the interview- one that most successful applicants will have exceeded in some way or another. The test scores, together with your Personal Statement and Rec are evaluated by the tutors (professors) in the subject that you are applying to- not an AdCom. The tutors decide who they want to shortlist for interview (fyi, Cambridge interviews a higher percentage of applicants than Oxford does, but a lower offer rate after interview, and more people who don’t meet their conditions). After the interviews the tutors discuss who they want to make offers to.

There is a special form of torture that we haven’t mentioned yet, called the Winter Pool, where applicants who are considered good enough to get in but whose original college decides not to take are placed. During winter pool colleges with places left to fill go through the files of the people in the pool and pull out ones that they would like to offer a place (that’s Cambridge; Oxford pools before interview).

The main point is, your AP scores are necessary but not sufficient.

=> Yes, you could be given an offer conditional on your Senior year APs, and if you miss it by even one you will lose your place. Once you have your offers from all your UK universities you ‘firm’ your first choice, and if it is a conditional you are allowed to ‘insure’ a second choice, for a uni where you either have an unconditional offer or the conditions are ones that you are confident you can meet. US students can do this, and/or have a safety in the US, on which they pay the deposit in May, and withdraw in July when they get their scores. And yes, it is not wonderful to be the only one sitting an AP exam whose marks actually matter. Also, fyi, Cambridge is notoriously firm about meeting your conditions.

=> Cambridge is a bit coy about GPAs- they want a ‘high pass’. My hunch is that if everything else is right, a 3.5 would not be a deal breaker (just an opinion, obviously). Note that most UK unis really don’t care even that much- and the ones that do are like St Andrews, which actively recruits Americans.

=> Be aware that psych, stats, enviro and comp sci are not considered full APs- they count as 1/2 APs. Calc BC, Physics and Bio would put you in a fair position (though as you can see from their website they would prefer you to have Chem as well). Your other APs together would add up to 5.

One thing to remember is that they want to be sure that the students that they accept are strong enough to succeed in the program. As somebody else posted, you are effectively coming in as a sophomore- and they expect you to hit the ground running (seriously- it is not unheard of to have work due by your first class meeting of first year). It is hard to overstate just how intense the workload at Oxbridge is. If getting the scores you need on the APs seems too stressful and too much work, you might want to consider whether that pace and intensity is something that will suit you.

Even if you think it would suit you, if you are really serious about science and the focused curriculum you should look beyond Cambridge (would anybody really only apply to Harvard?). Imperial, UCL, Bristol, Durham are all strong performers in your field, and all of them have less stringent requirements than Oxbridge. Durham is even collegiate (like Oxford & Cambridge). With UCAS you can apply to 5 courses for 1 fee, with 1 essay and 1 recommendation, so once you have done one you just add the others onto the form.

OOOOoohhh.

Thank you so much for the detailed responses.I’ll apply and see what happens :stuck_out_tongue:

If you haven’t seen the oxvlog site, you might want to check it out on youtube. It chronicles experiences and offers advice (on Oxford, but relevant for Cam). You can get an idea of the upsides and the downsides: the work load and expectations (of self) can be so intense that some students really suffer, but when it works out, the learning environment is unlike any other.

Please note, while it is not common, I do know a current Cambridge student who missed their conditional offer very narrowly and was still accepted. However, much better not to chance it.

Definitely do the Chemistry AP; it will widen your course choices at Cambridge if you get in.

If your summer research is scientific, it WILL be a positive. Same with your clubs - if there’s a science angle push it in your Personal Statement.

In terms of GPA - my guess is they’d like to see As in your science classes, but would be less concerned about how you do in, say, French or history.

@am61517 is right- anything can happen- but it is vanishingly rare at Cambridge. I know a number of people who have missed by very narrow margins- one by a single point on the STEP paper, another got an A instead of an A* and so on- whose offers were withdrawn.

Ok so basically as a recap:

-They practically only look at SAT and APs
-Offers are conditional
-Don’t count on anything

I don’t want to turn this into a chances thread but how do you think I’ll do? xD - considering my SAT and five 5s. I am pretty good at interviews and public speaking.

The reason I’m only applying to OxBridge is because I live in the U.S., and studying abroad seems only worth it if it’s the highest quality of education.

I do not want to hijack this thread, but just want to pop in this quick question. Is there a forum for Oxford or other UK schools where I might ask some advice?

@Kajon, there is a United Kingdom thread, with quite a few friendly and helpful folks on it- c’mon over!

@DesperateLoser, do some homework on the interview- it is more like a cross between an oral exam and a tutorial than an Amrican-style get to know you interview. The people who interview you are teachers in your subject, who will ask you about things related to your course- things that either don’t have simple answers or that they know is more advanced than what you have done in school. The objective is to see how you think, how you learn, how you pull together what you do know to figure out something you don’t know.

sorry, @ Kajon, should have said that the UK thread is in the International Forum

have you looked into UCL, Trinity College Dublin, and Edinburgh? My sister just graduated from University of Edinburgh and is now going to Harvard, so it has a pretty good reputation. Also, word on the street is Oxford takes in more American students than Cambridge…