University Of Florida Non-admitees

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<p>Ok, this is for all of the people who were not admitted to UF.</p>

<p>You people are sitting here posting all of these threads about race, unfairness, and laws about African Americans getting in because of skin color and how you want to see a breakdown of scores. </p>

<p>First of all, you're not an admissions officer, so therefore you're not inclined to see a breakdown of anything except the fact that you weren't accepted. Instead of requesting breakdowns of SAT scores by race, you NEED to be requesting a breakdown of your attitude about not getting in and maybe even a breakdown of your own application.</p>

<p>UF has made it clear in the rejection letter that they had to turn down qualified applicants. Most people who apply to the University of Florida are qualified. Not all, but most. And they OBVIOUSLY cannot take ALL of you, so GET OVER IT. There are some people out there who applied to colleges and were rejected to every single one of them and will have to go to community college. And there are others who cannot afford to go to a University like their friends get to, so they also have to go to community college. yet, some of you people are mad that you didnt get into UF when you HAVE other optional Universities to attend that you WERE accepted AND able to go to.</p>

<p>To be honest, no one really cares if you were rejected or accepted. In a few months, none of you people will come back to this thread or care about anyone else and where they went to college. I mean, I seriously just don't see what is so DIFFICULT to understand that MANY qualified people applied to UF, and that they only have LIMITED spaces. Are you people that dumb to not realize this? WHY can it NOT go through your heads. UF never said you were unqualified, its just that other people qualified as well, and maybe in different ways other than yourself, and UF simply does not have the room for you. So, what do you people want us to do about it? We aren't admissions officers, go complain to them. Sorry you people were rejected, but no one really cares.</p>

<p>Go use your time elsewhere with other colleges you got into. If it makes you feel any better, I am a freshman at UF and it's not all its made out to be, and the people who were accepted will realize this as well when they get here. I mean its a great place, but it's just....college. It's not like you feel like you're in heaven at UF or something. It's just a college like any other place. It kinda gets sickening seeing orange and blue on many buildings, even McDonalds. And it gets sickening being around cocky people all the time and feeling the need to be competitive all the time, as if someone is going to take your spot at UF. It gets tiring of feeling this way after a while, so at least you guys won't have to be stressed about this, on top of the stress you will encounter simply from just being in college, no matter where it is. I was actually glad when we didn't qualify for the championship this year. It humbled this university just as it should have. It put a lot of people in check who were getting in over their heads. I'm so glad it happened.</p>

<p>i'm not trying to be mean to you guys, but seriously, stop complaining, you have other options (and some people don't even have that).</p>

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<p>I'll post this here too just in case. Everybody should read this. It's not necessarily comparing apples to apples, but it helps put things in perspective.</p>

<p>Newsweek.com:</a> Society: Inside The Admissions Game</p>

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<p>****? kthx</p>

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<p>This was very well written! Goood good good!</p>

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<p>Sorry, OBO...as much as you would like to think this is about you and how you are seeming to regret your decision, it's about something a lot bigger. It's bigger than me, you or the people rejected or accepted this semester. If you can't see that, then you just need to live a little longer, grow up and in 10 years, take a fresh look at how the world works in your view. I don't care if you know white,black or Mexican people who have been rejected. Scratch that, it's not that I don't care-it's just hat it's irrelevant. I want FAIRNESS in the admissions, and it makes me suspicious when I read quotes from admissions directors saying they are "excited" at a high percentage of black admits. This doesn't strike you as odd that the admissions DIRECTOR is excited about this?</p>

<p>What this IS about is determining if the University is operating under an agenda, unfairly and at it's own expense. Oh, and in my view illegally, I might add. Note: I'm not alleging right now, just questioning. My god, if you can't see the CLEAR evidence of this agenda at other schools then you're already too closed minded and no amount of proof (ie Michigan's lost law suit) or arguing will get through to you. </p>

<p>By the way, you should consider transferring to a school that you might actually have fun at. You're never going to get a chance to relive these days.</p>

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<p>I agree with Oboesmrtguy40.</p>

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<p>For all of those who were rejected by U of F, I simply quote our good friend Groucho Marx, "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member."</p>

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<p>look tomslawsky...the simple fact remains, other people qualify in DIFFERENT ways...so no dont you dare say IM closed minded...you're the one who is being closed minded. one of my friends who is white who has higher SATs than me didnt get in last year when we applied. did i feel bad, of course i did, but i knew that i qualified as well, and they can't take all of us, and he understood this and is really happy at UCF. you really need to stop assuming stuff in regards to race. it is possible for minorities to qualify over white people you know. im not saying that schools dont give a special leg up to minorities, but they have to have SOME sort of diversity. in plus, im sure they qualify in different ways that stick out. its not that you didnt qualify, its just that there are TOO MANY...you're making it sound as if minorities havent been rejected as well. GET OVER IT</p>

<p>you also need to understand that, as bad as this sounds, a white male applicant at UF is the majority of all applications...after a while, you all start looking the same, so if you dont have anything that sticks out significantly, then im sorry but it isnt gonna happen, and it even if you do its not guaranteed.....they have no choice but to start being harsh. but it's not as if they are out to get you or anything, which is obviously seen by minorities being rejected as well.</p>

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<p>I dont understand this quote...if they dont accept you as a member, what would you possibly be accepted as? lol....all you are at a large univeristy such as UF is a number.</p>

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<p>OBO-you're closed minded and have taken a big swill of the Kool Aid. Here is a quote from the admissions board of U-Chicago, a school that UF could only really aspire to. Read it carefully. Obviously, you disagree and Chicago's admissions philosophy and think people of less ability or accomplishment should be rewarded for no other reason except that "diversity" is more important than accomplishment and smarts...You're a lost cause and won't be swayed to the side of fairness because you seem to believe that just because a campus has a proportional mix of skin colors, it's a good school. Chicago has got it right....they take a holistic approach to each applicant and make decisions BEFORE they know race. Bravo for them.</p>

<p>If you think I'm being a whining little baby, you are incapable of seeing the whole affirmative action backlash going on all over the country. If you want to get down to the core of it, it is unconstitutional for a government institution treat people different based on sex, age, race. I'm guessing you'd rather ignore that elephant in the room for the sake of diversity, eight? How would you feel if blacks or Mexicans were rejected despite 1400 SAT scores in favor of the campus having more white students? </p>

<p>Newsweek.com:</a> Society: Inside The Admissions Game</p>

<p>"Last Friday—three days behind schedule—all the big and small envelopes go into the mail. For the first time, Bischoff runs the whole class through a computer program. Only then does Chicago learn that it has accepted 1,529 men and 1,631 women. Their average SAT score is about 1420. Their ethnicity, something that many applicants don't divulge, still isn't known in the aggregate. Chicago prides itself on using no gender, racial, geographic or other quotas in deciding whom to accept. "We're not 'building a class,' creating this ideal little world with so many of these and so many of those," O'Neill says. "We accept the best, and hope to get as many as we can."</p>

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<p>Floridamom-I expect most to have your point of view. It's much easier to accept something as given rather than question it, investigate the roots of it's motives and voice a logical, yet unpopular opinion. That takes both moral and intellectual courage. I can give lots of examples of why accepting the best from all applicants is what is best in any situation, whether it be jobs, schools, whatever. Hell, sports teams that have to compete don't use racial goals or quotas. They want to compete with their peers and they aggressively compete for and try to keep the best players. When was the last time you heard a team representative say on TV- We passed on the#1 linebacker in the draft for a 5th rounder because he was white and we need more diversity on the team. Take the exact phenomenon we're talking about, transfer it to a neutral scenario and the ridiculousness of it is quickly apparent and east to see. </p>

<p>Can you give any REAL proof that an institution that recruits to racial quotas is better? I'm talking tangible data backed up proof, not feel good we did it so it must be good proof. I would LOVE to see it.</p>

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<p>You can generally tell which side of an argument is well-supported and which is not. When there is no substance to an argument, the tactics change from persuading to dissuading. Tomslawsky supports his arguments well with logic, reason, and external citations. However, the best Oboesmrtguy40 can seem to come up with is “you NEED to be requesting a breakdown of your attitude…so GET OVER IT…Go use your time elsewhere”. That is, stop thinking, don’t question, and just accept. </p>

<p>Friends, this is America. It is everyone’s right—and I believe duty—to question. After all, this is a discussion board. I don’t see that Tomslawsky is transcending any laws of fairness or decency here. On other hand, I do see Oboesmrtguy40 essentially ordering him to essentially stop talking and go somewhere else. That just strikes me as very Un-American.</p>

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<p>tom, were you rejected by UF?</p>

<p>and your "logic and support" isnt going to change the fact that the decisions will be the same, thanks =)</p>

<p>and what do you people mean i dont provide support for what I am saying. I am my own support because I am an african american who qualifies just like many other african americans over caucasian americans...why does this need support? and what support do you need to realize that UF has a cap on how many people it can take....the support is on their rejection letter when they say they cant take all qualified applicants....what the heck...</p>

<p>and also Fl Boy, if you want to talk about un-american, go talk to some of our people in war who raped Iraq women and punished some of their people. thanks</p>

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<p>So, now your comeback is "haha, it is what it is"....rubbing it in. I sure am glad UF passed on someone with a 1400 SAT to admit you,who wants to see the school get put into it's place. You're a poster boy for my point of view.</p>

<p>I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but I'm a soon to be proud gator alumni. Also, you are proving my point of why I think you should have been dinged...not because you're black, but because you lack the capacity to make a logical argument and you argue by throwing anecdotes out and trying to let emotion take over the argument. The most pertinent reason here is that despite your ostensible lack of intellectual tools, you took a spot from someone better qualified, you don't appreciate being there and seem a actually bitter at the university giving you the chance. You really WANT to see your school lose and you REALLY want yo see them get knocked down a notch or 2...really?</p>

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<p>If your points are true, the attrition rates should be equal across all races in the school. I wonder if i can get my hands on that info, too.</p>

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<p>pass on someone with a 1400?</p>

<p>uh excuse me, I am in the UF honors program with a 1420. eat that jerk lol</p>

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<p>COMPLETELY agree with Oboesmrtguy40. You took the words out of my mouth.</p>

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<p>you STILL failed to tell me how i didnt make any points. the points I made are pretty much common sense...why does it require proof that minorities are QUALIFIED JUST LIKE YOU! and why does it require proof that THEY DONT HAVE SPOTS FOR ALL QUALIFIED PEOPLE! ugh...(the pressure....)</p>

<p>and how can you sit here and say that i should have been dinged over people who have 1400s...first of all, jerk, i have a 1420 as i said earlier, so you assume because i am black i dont have these credentials....how typical. secondly, i should have been dinged because i cant make logical arguments? i dont think that is the case here. i think the case here is you cant handle the truth and accept it. the points i made are not points that should even require any proof....simple fact is that minorities qualify just like white people and that there just arent enough spaces for all qualified people. why this requires "proof" i am not sure why....i cannot believe you are going to sit here and argue that there arent other qualified people other than whites. i mean i will admit, the majority of qualified applicants are white because most applicants ARE white. but i mean, lets get real. if you have a minority applicant who is qualified and a white applicant who is qualified, and the school is already dominated by white people, why does it make sense to pick the white person in this situation. you are really sad. and this is coming from someone who does not support affirmative action, so its not like im being biased....and to make my "point" or "proof" in this situation, my girlfriend was rejected, yet was qualified....she complained just as you are right now and i told her "there are other qualified applicants..." just as i am telling you.</p>

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<p>If there were infinitely many spots open there would be no need to debate. But since the number of freshman openings is a limited resource, competition determines who get in. The question debated here is whether the competition is fair or unfair.</p>

<p>For the record, I am white. But I don't care what race someone is: if they are given a coveted spot in UF's freshman class for any reason other than hard work and achievement, IMO it is an unfair advantage. If it came to my attention that ANY members of my own race were slotted in with inferior credentials purely because they were white, I would feel very upset, which would turn to rage if my son or daughter, who were better qualified, were rejected. Terms of such admissions are a slap in the face to all races.</p>

<p>That UF admits students based solely (or at least largely) on race is grossly unfair. It's the result of political extortion. It's academic welfare. In the long run, it hurts everyone. The only real way to cure inequities in admissions percentages is by effectively addressing the problem at a much early stage in a child's education. Merely slotting a person in based on population demographics helps no one.</p>

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<p>but see THAT IS WHAT I AM TELLING YOU PEOPLE!.... WHY are you assuming that minorities cant get in based off of hard work????? WHAT THE HECK!!!!!! Gosh, is it so hard to believe that, yes, some minorities are smarter than you....and for those that got in over you, well more than likely, they were as smart or "qualified" as you, or even more qualified if you will. so this is all coming down to you thinking minorities cant be more qualified, or are AS qualified as you. and you obviously dont believe they are AS qualified as you because then you would understand that UF cant take ALL qualified applicants.</p>

<p>as i said, get over it, no one cares how you feel lol</p>