<p>I was just curious what people thought of the selectivity of the UM engineering school. I know it is highly ranked (US News), especially in areas such as mechanical and aerospace engineering but a not very selective school like Purdue is also. I am really curious about the level of students as well as the acceptance rate at UM engineering</p>
<p>If you have anything to say from personal or second-hand experience on the UM engineering school that would also be good to hear.</p>
<p>[Let</a> me google that for you](<a href=“http://lmgtfy.com/?q=self+selective]Let”>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=self+selective)</p>
<p>I am not sure where you got your information Ayer. Michigan Engineering is very selective. The average student admitted into the CoE graduated in the top 5% of her/his high school class with a 3.9 unweighed GPA and a 1400 on the SAT (not superscored) / 31 on the ACT. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.engin.umich.edu/about/CoEProfile.pdf[/url]”>http://www.engin.umich.edu/about/CoEProfile.pdf</a></p>
<p>Michigan is obviously not as selective as Caltech, MIT, Princeton or Stanford, but it is significantly more selective than Purdue.</p>
<p>and as with any engineering school, getting in is the easy part.</p>
<p>compared to the rest of the schools in UM do you think that its engineering school is most selective? And if anyone has actually had the experience of going through UM or knows anything about it, how would you say its CoE helps you in terms of job searches</p>
<p>The CoE and LSA are roughly equally selective (average CoE student is stronger in Math but LSA has lower acceptance rate). Ross is more selective than both LSA and CoE. All three of those colleges are extremely selective, as is the college of Music.</p>
<p>Ayer…why the focus on selectivity? As Alexandre said, the quality of the student in the Umich engineering program is very high. Also, realize that certain engineering programs will perhaps be easier than others. </p>
<p>At the graduate level, there was at 37% acceptance rate. Realize there is a lower rate for more poplular engineering fields like EE or MechE. Also realize that there is a lower acceptance rate into the PhD programs vs the Masters programs.</p>
<p>As for job placement, I’m amazed that many of the students who are undergrads are actaully landing very nice engineering jobs and internships. I worked as an engineer before coming back to school and am very aware of the difficulty experienced engineers have finding jobs, but Michigan is finding jobs for many of its to undergrads. The University attracts many companies to come in career fairs and during the year.</p>
<p>something i didn’t like while a student, was that they have limited spots for the engineering career fair and they actually turned companies down because they ran out of room, no matter how many interviews I got, i wouldn’t have minded a few more. </p>
<p>engineering selectivity, even for the biggest prestige whores, is not an issue at michigan.</p>
<p>The CoE attracts many high-profile companies on campus. By “high profile”, I mean all the heavy hitting industrial companies (including Microsoft, Exxon Mobil, Boeing, General Electric, IBM, General Motors, Ford, Daimler, BMW, Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson, Merck, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Honeywell, Cisco, Intel, Google, Schlumberger, Procter and Gamble, DuPont etc…) as well as all the top IBanks and Management Consulting firms (including Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, McKinsey, Deutschebank, UBS, Bain, BCG, Booz Allen, Mercer etc…). All those companies actively and aggresively recruit specifically at the college of Engineering (they have separate schedules at Ross and LSA) and routinely offer jobs to undergraduate engineers. I would not expect anything less from a top 10 CoE. </p>
<p><a href=“http://career.engin.umich.edu/annualReport/Annual_Report0809.pdfEngineeringCareerResourceCenterAnnualReport2008-2009[/url]”>http://career.engin.umich.edu/annualReport/Annual_Report0809.pdfEngineeringCareerResourceCenterAnnualReport2008-2009</a></p>
<p>I think he’s worried about getting in, not about people assuming that he’s not smart enough for MIT.</p>
<p>Once again you are over inflating the OCR at Michigan. Companies make it on the list even if they only interviewed one kid from Michigan Engineering. They dont have to recruit at COE to get on the list.</p>
<p>Do the following companies recruit specifically at the COE?</p>
<p>Goldman Sachs - Nope, only ops and tech (backoffice)
JP Morgan Chase - Nope, only tech (backoffice)
Citigroup - Only Quantitative Trading and Analysis (focuses on grad students, I was the only undergrad from michigan who made it to superday, the other 5 were all either MFEs or CS Phds, so almost no chance)
McKinsey - Nope, Lumped with LSA and Ross. McK do general recruiting for Michigan
Deutschebank - Nope, Lumped with LSA for front office, seperately for COE for tech (backoffice)
UBS - Only for specifically for equities (front office) and tech.
Bain - Yes
BCG - NO
Booz Allen -NO
Mercer -NO</p>
<p>So in other words, they DO recruit here…just not for the specific jobs that bearcats wants. Not everything is about IB and trading. Many engineers (gasp!) actually want to be engineers.</p>
<p>I was just curious about selectivity because I was wondering what kind of students UM engineering attracts. I already know it has a rigorous program and is ranked by USN highly. I just wanted to make sure that I would be studying (O yeah, I was already accepted, forgot to mention that) with well qualified students and that UM students have enough of a reputation to get a good job. Both of these questions seem to be answered above. And thank you Alexandre for those links, they were very informative.</p>
<p>bearcats, can you point me to a University where all of those companies recruit specifically at the engineering school? This is a very pointless technicality. While I was a student, McKinsey held a few information sessions in the EECS building, if that doesn’t count as recruiting at COE, I don’t know what you want.</p>
<p>“bearcats, can you point me to a University where all of those companies recruit specifically at the engineering school? This is a very pointless technicality. While I was a student, McKinsey held a few information sessions in the EECS building, if that doesn’t count as recruiting at COE, I don’t know what you want.”</p>
<p>try MIT. I know for a FACT that EVERY SINGLE bulge bracket and M/B/B recruit specifically for both engineering and sloan kids (Separate information sessions, separate OCR schedules) and all for FRONT OFFICE positions.</p>
<p>BTW the only information sessions McKinsey held this year were both at Ross. One for full time and one for internship.</p>
<p>bearcats, HYPSM are in a league of their own. </p>
<p>This said, recruitng activity will varry from year to year. I would not look at the last two years as “typical” for on-campus recruiting activity, especially where IBanks are concerned. Besides, the heaviest recruiters of engineers will be the likes of Lockheed Martin and Microsoft. That makes sense I suppose. Most Michigan Engineers I know (and roughly half of my friends while at Michigan were Engineers) only looked for jobs with traditional firms.</p>
<p>I strongly disagree. Michigan engineering is a great program and it always opens many doors. All of the companies that are listed in the ECRC report that Alexander posted, have at least hired one ( in many cases more than one like Google and Microsoft). Michigan is a great Engineering program. One of the founders of Google is a Michigan grad. Ipod was invented by a Michigan Grad. Michigan Engineering made it possible to go to the moon. I can go on forever.</p>
<p>Most Engineering Michigan kids that are interested in trading and consulting were able to land the jobs that they want.</p>
<p>I agree that with Alexander that the majority of engineering student are interested in engineering jobs.</p>