University of Michigan or Kalamazoo College?

<p>I am deciding between these two colleges. If you have any experiences at either, I would love your input. </p>

<p>Also, some questions:</p>

<p>If you went/go to U of M:
Do you ever feel lost or drowned in the giant number of students?
Do you need to participate in Greek life to have a social life?
Did the Michigan name help you get your job/internship? </p>

<p>If you went/go to K:
Are there enough resources?
Does it ever feel too small?
How's the social life?
Have employers heard of Kalamazoo college/any other input on job placement?</p>

<p>Michigan is huge, greek life is only a small portion of the students.
It is a more reputable school and will help you post graduation if you work hard while you’re there.
If you aren’t afraid of large intro classes, and can afford it it would be a great pick</p>

<p>musiclover94,
I’m not exactly your target respondent but I will share my experience FWIW. I went to UM (LSA) many years ago. I was in the honors program, and I truly enjoyed the honors classes: they were smaller than other classes and challenging. I lived in huge dorm, and I did feel lost as a number, often. After 2 years, I left/took a year off/moved across the country/worked/transferred and finished at a different state’s school. My experiences at UM rarely have come up at all in my job searches. My grad. school experiences are what have nailed me jobs, and my upperclass experiences at another state school got me into graduate school.</p>

<p>Now, 30 years and 2000 miles away, Kalamazoo is high on my son’s list, we are just worried about the rest of our $$ contribution. He really liked the people we met and the vibe of the school. He is involved in music/orchestra, and needs to be engaged by his learning environment. My sister graduated from K and to her, it is the most simultaneously nurturing and stimulating environment anyone could possibly choose. My son looked at both UM and UW and said – great schools, but where is the center, the community? In a visit, he pegged why I never felt at home at UM as an undergrad. I think it would have been different as a graduate student.</p>

<p>Good luck with your choice.</p>

<p>“My experiences at UM rarely have come up at all in my job searches.”</p>

<p>Why would they? You only spent two years in Ann Arbor and received your degree elsewehere.</p>

<p>To return to the original poster’s question: Did the Michigan name help you get your job/internship?</p>

<p>In my experience, graduate education and credentials have been much more important than undergraduate “credentials” in securing jobs/internships/positions, wherever the undergraduate degree came from. The important point in all of my job searches was that an undergraduate degree was achieved, and moved beyond. </p>

<p>The quality of your undergraduate experience itself, however, is important to the person you will become. I say follow your heart – where did you feel best? Where do you think you could be happy for 4 years? Do not be swayed by someone else’s opinion of external prestige over your own gut feeling, or you will probably regret your decision. And it is an important decision.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>depends on the learning experience you want, also Kalamazoo is very well-known for their strong study-abroad program.</p>

<p>Like greetasola, I also went to Michigan many years ago, also was in the LS&A Honors Program. I never felt “lost” or “like a number”–not even once. I quickly made close friends in my residence hall, mostly on my floor which was part of an Honors house in a larger residence facility, so I was taking classes with the same people I lived with and played with. (Literally played; we had touch football games before dinner just about every afternoon, except in deep winter). Some of those people became lifelong friends and remain among my dearest friends to this day. I ended up gravitating toward a department (philosophy) where all the upper-level classes were small, and I spent most of my time in small classes, got to know my professors quite well, and they got to know me. That opened up tremendous opportunities for me at the graduate school level because Michigan’s philosophy department was then, and remains to this day, one of the very best in the country and in the world, so I was getting strong recommendations from some of the very top people in the field. And I absolutely loved every day I spent in Ann Arbor. Leaving there was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done, and I know many, many Michigan alums who felt much the same.</p>

<p>I will also say that there is a large, strong, and loyal network of Michigan alumni that has opened up both social and professional opportunities for me at many stages of my life. Heck, I ended up marrying another Michigan grad, someone I didn’t know in college but who I met through mutual friends who were also Michigan grads, working in the same or related fields at the time. That social-professional network is so strong in some places (Chicago and DC come immediately to mind) that it sometimes is known as “the Michigan mafia,” which can be seen as a bit of a pejorative but ultimately I think is said with envy by those who are not part of it. </p>

<p>I don’t believe I could have gotten a better education, or had a better social experience, anywhere in the country; equal, yes, better, no. </p>

<p>I do agree with greetasola that in my profession, my graduate school credentials ultimately mean much more than my undergraduate credentials, but that is true for absolutely everyone in my field, whether they went to Harvard or an obscure liberal arts college or a big state university as an undergrad. </p>

<p>But people are different. My D1 had no interest in big schools–not just big state schools, but any research universities. She much preferred the small, intimate, nurturing setting of a small liberal arts college, and she chose, and was chosen by, one of the best. She’s getting a great education, and it’s a great fit for her. I would have found that smallness suffocating, and I would have chafed at the more limited range of course offerings. I would have also found it a bit boring because at a small college you just don’t get the same kaleidoscopic whirl of events and activities and student organizations that a bigger school can support. You get some, to be sure, but just a much more limited range of choices. I don’t doubt that my daughter made the best choice for her. And I’m just as certain I made the right choice for me.</p>

<p>My D studied abroad with Michigan students, and they were super happy with their school. There are many ways to make a big school seem small. I think it would be difficult to turn down Michigan.</p>

<p>I think smaller schools have a cohesive built-in community, formed initially around academics but including activities, organized and spontaneous, from the day you enter the gates. Students I have talked to at UM and other large schools were in general happier when they found a smaller community within the larger school – for example bclintonk’s Honors floor residential experience, or the upperclass experiences you will have once you declare a major and interact with students of similar interest.</p>

<p>A smaller LAC offers you that community the moment you walk in the door. The drawback is that is may not be the “right” community, or fit, for you, and that may limit your experience, or it may be all aces from day one and you will have a smooth transition and never feel like a number, and never feel you are in an environment that does not fit you. At a larger school, you may have to seek this out in your residence hall, or through clubs, or the Greek system, or your major. There are many and varied communities available, you may just have to work to find them. </p>

<p>I do think the freshman residence hall experience at a large school can be a real turn-off, or a success, and worth any time you can put into figuring out where your home away from home will be ahead of time, if this is the route you choose.</p>

<p>I also am trying to make the decision between University of Michigan and Kalamazoo College. As a pre-med hopeful, I really don’t want to get lost in the masses or pushed to the side, and my parents are particularly worried about this happening to me at Michigan.
Has anyone found this to be the case, or heard of it happening?
Also, does anyone know the acceptance rate to med school that University of Michigan students have? I can’t find it anywhere online!</p>

<p>“I really don’t want to get lost in the masses or pushed to the side”</p>

<p>Well, how would you react if you felt that this was happening? Would you sit back and let it happen, or would you go knocking on professors’ doors and seeking out an advisor to help you? If you don’t feel that you would be able to do that, or if you feel that a student should never have to, a small school might be a better fit.</p>

<p>“Also, does anyone know the acceptance rate to med school that University of Michigan students have?”</p>

<p>I would ignore this number, as it tells you virtually nothing about what YOUR odds will be. There are a lot of ways that colleges can massage this number.</p>

<p>AnnaBradin- this information on Michigan med school applicants and acceptances might help you:</p>

<p>[2012</a> Allopathic (MD) Medical School Application Figures | Career Center](<a href=“http://m.careercenter.umich.edu/article/2012-allopathic-md-medical-school-application]2012”>http://m.careercenter.umich.edu/article/2012-allopathic-md-medical-school-application)</p>

<p>Hannah- I do think that I would be proactive and go talk to someone if I needed help, and I feel it would most certainly be my responsibility to do so at Michigan. However, I know that I would get so much more individualized attention at Kalamazoo. Do you think that there are enough resources to still succeed at Michigan?</p>

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Yes</p>

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No. In any case WMU is also in town for many student events.</p>

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Good. And the lack of Greek system diversifies the social scene. You are likely to see jocks and hippies at the same parties which doesn’t happen everywhere.</p>

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Yes, definitely, Grad Schools too.</p>