**University of Pennsylvania Fall 2018 Transfer Thread**

Hey guys, I’m applying for sophomore transfer. Here are my stats-
College: Top 70 Public Universities
GPA: 3.92
ACT: 33
Currently a double major in Honor’s College for Computer Science and Finance, but applying as Computer Science Major to UPenn Engineering

Also applying to: Cornell University, Columbia University, New York University, Carnegie Mellon University, Steven’s Institute of Technology

Awards: Chancellor’s Scholarship and Dean’s List

EC’s:
Assistant Secretary of Finance Society
Chief of Finance for Honor Council
Treasurer of Muslim Student’s Association
Game Developer using Unity Software
Game Development Club member

Job:
Campus Manager for Fresh Prints (create a business that produces thousands of $ in revenue)

High School: Top 40 Nationally Recognized High School
GPA: 3.7 weighted
AP’s: AP Bio, AP Environmental, AP Psychology, AP European History (all 4’s) AP Statistics, AP Literature (These two are 3’s)
Lots of EC’s and Work experience

SAT Subject Test: Biology- 730

I have two strong recommendations and I might have an additional one just to bolster my chances.
I’ve been maintaining a high GPA for my college career since my high school GPA fell a bit short (Mostly due to low grades in freshman and sophomore year- I drastically improved them once I took school more seriously starting junior year). I’m relying on my EC’s, job experience, personal video game/development projects (I want to eventually open my own video game studio and pursue computer science research in a variety of topics at UPenn), and strong essays.

You all have amazing student profiles and I wish you all the best of luck! Feel free to chance me if you want.

It’s great to see so many awesome people applying this year! Hopefully, everything turns out how we all want it. Best of luck to everyone.

School Applying: Wharton

College: Top 100 School (Honors and part of special program to finish in three years)
Major: Finance and International Business
Year: Freshman
GPA: 4.0
Dean’s Honor List

Activities:
Student Government Senator
Finance Committee Member and Constitutional Committee Member
President selected Activites and Planning board member and chair of social outreach subcommittee
Campus Kitchens shift leader
International Business club member
I still actively run three foundations across the US I created in High School.

Internships:
Banking internship in San Francisco for next summer. Wondering if I should try to talk about it at all?

High School GPA: 4.12 (Weighted on 4.0 scale)
ACT: 33

I took around 6 AP’s, but my AP test scores were only high in my sophomore and junior years.

I have two strong recommenders I think (My Business Intro teacher and my Chinese professor.) For my other recommender, I was thinking of getting an old family friend who knows me extremely well and is highly involved in the government and graduated from Penn. I hope I do enough activities, but I don’t really have the time to add more. I didn’t really feel like adding my high school stuff because I think it loses some relevance.

@Eggyeol You seem pretty good. How many credits do you have though? I think your biggest risk is not having enough college credits.

@Vincent1997 I took 16 the first semester, and I’m in 18 this semester. Is that enough?

So it’s a huge reach for me, but I’m considering applying to uPenn since I’m pretty unhappy with my current university (academics-wise, for the most part). I do have to say, looking through the threads here scares me since, if I was the admissions worker reading over transfer applications, I’d probably accept everyone else over me lol. Nonetheless, I thought I’d shotgun a few reaches in the hopes that I’d get in to a better school.

Applying for Computer Science

College: Low-ranking state school (103rd according to USNews)
Major: Computer Science, but I switched from Mechanical Engineering last semester
Year: Technically a sophomore right now, but I am in freshman standing in my major
GPA: Only a 3.6, but I have a strong upwards trend of a 3.2 to a 3.5 to a 3.93 last semester.
Dean’s List last Spring, Dean’s List w/ Highest Honors last Fall
Credits: 47 completed, 15 in progress, have taken/am taking Calc I & II, Physics I & II, Intro to CS 1 & 2, a proofs class, a stats class, and general elective classes

Activities:
I’m decently involved in research. I spent a semester last year working with my university’s space science center compiling data on coronal mass ejections, and was listed as a co-author on the research professor’s journal article. Last semester I worked with the university’s center for genomics doing lab work and some bioinformatics programming, but had to stop due to classes this year conflicting my work schedule (which really sucks since I really like the job, it was good resume/work experience, and paid really well). I haven’t started research this semester, mostly due to my class schedule.
I started a club at my current university to work on aerospace engineering projects (like rockets, etc.), but had a falling out with the person I co-founded it with (and my interests changed from aerospace engineering to computer science) so I’m no longer part of that.
I also was a member of my university’s Formula SAE racing team my freshman year, where I did mechanical engineering design of the car’s shifter and built an arduino-based data-logging system for the car. Again, since I switched to computer science (and the team culture wasn’t great), I haven’t really had an interest in becoming active with the team again. I’m not sure how to list this and the aerospace club thing in a good light on my application. I certainly don’t want admissions to think I am flaky.
Finally, I am an associate with a competitive student-run angel investing fund at my university. I am extremely devoted to and active in the fund and currently serve as a liaison with one of our legit angel fund partners. The fund is pretty much the only thing making me apprehensive about transferring, but I know that it’s most likely a worthy sacrifice to leave the fund if I can attend a school like uPenn. I am definitely writing in my essay how I want to start a similar fund if I attend uPenn (or at least to become involved in the entrepreneurship environment there). I am looking weaving computer/data science into the fund through doing some big data analysis on prior startup funding rounds/exits/etc. since my university has one of, if not, the premiere venture research centers (whodathunk) and thus access to large amounts of that data.
Not that I think admissions will look at it, but I think I have a decent github going with side projects from personal interest and hackathons.
I was also an extremely devoted member of my high school’s FRC team and took a leadership position my senior year.

Internships:
Worked with an electric bike start-up the summer after my senior year of high school doing wiring and electronics work, and worked at an aerospace startup last summer doing mechanical engineering design and testing, among other stuff. I have applied to over 150 internships and companies in hopes of getting an internship in computer science this year, but my mechanical engineering experience is much more impressive than my computer science experience (which isn’t necessarily to say I am a better mechanical engineering than software engineer) and thus I haven’t heard any good news from any of the applications. However, I have applied, through a provider, for an international internship placement (specifically in London), and I think I’ll have a pretty good chance of getting a computer science internship there for this summer.

High School GPA: 3.46 weighted cumulative, but I also had a strong upward trend going from bouncing around from a 3.1-3.4 until my senior year, where I finished with a 4.20 (nice) GPA my first semester senior year and a 3.8 my second semester. I guess like my first year at uni, I didn’t quite “get” working hard at school, but since I’ve switched to a major I enjoy more than mechanical engineering, I’ve found it way easier (and almost more natural) to work hard for a 4.0
Old SAT: 1900
APs: AP Environmental Science, AP Physics 1, AP Comp. Sci

I know for sure I have one strong recommender, my Physics professor from last year. Every day after class, I would spend time in his office hours doing homework and working with the graduate TAs (he held the office hours in the classroom we worked in, conveniently), and I’ve talked to him about a bunch of stuff as well. Pretty sure he’s an A+ as far as recommenders go. Not so sure who I’ll get as my second though. I might ask the professor who I worked with at the space science center for research, or my freshman english/writing teacher.

Finally, and I hate to admit it but, I suck at essay writing. I think I am pretty analytical writer (I like literary analysis and technical analysis when we do research for the angel fund), but that translates to a pretty bland writing style. I’ve always struggled with personal narrative type essays, so my transfer essay so far really isn’t as good as it could be. I think it does a good job highlighting things I am proud of, but it’s not necessarily the most engaging or vivid essay. It moreso centers around me highlighting myself as a good applicant rather than highlighting a specific story like other strong transfer/college essays that I have read do. I’m basing it off of the transfer essay I wrote for the University of Washington, just changing the school-specific parts over from UW to uPenn obviously. I’ve gotten it reviewed by a good amount of people, and it’s certainly come a LONG way since I first wrote it, but it’s still not great in my eyes.

@seacucumber3000 Sounds like you have a lot going for you! You seem like a cool person from that post :smiley: good luck!! (also lol at your senior year GPA)

@Shoumei Thanks man! I’m worried that I won’t be able to convey all of that well enough in the 650 words of the common app, but I’ll definitely try my best. Hopefully admissions looks at my resume haha.

@seacucumber3000 I think you may have answered your own question here.

Being unhappy at your current school is not a reason to go to Penn. It is only a reason to transfer.

  1. Know and be able to clearly articulate “Why Penn?”. You haven’t indicated why you think it is a fit for you, and you a fit for them.

  2. As a transfer, you have to make a statement of academic excellence demonstrated by your coursework and GPA - universities don’t weigh the extra curriculars in the same way they do for incoming freshman. You have an above average but not great GPA from a university that accepts 79% of its students, and where the average SAT score was 1650 and HS GPA 3.47. That’s not a very competitive school, and I think they’d expect you to be hitting it out of the park there in order to be able to take on the rigorous coursework at Penn. You’d be applying into a student body with an average 3.91 HS GPA, SAT scores averaging 2200, and were in the top 10% of the applicant pool.

  3. Colleges want transfer students who know what they are majoring in and have taken enough coursework to be on track to meet the requirements of that major. I can’t really tell if you’ve done that or not, but you’ll know obviously!

  4. I assume you’ve done your research on transferring to Penn - they take very few students junior year, and are very selective in accepting transfer course credits - an overarching concern is the students ability to graduate on time with the credits they have combined with the core and major requirements at Penn.

I hope this doesn’t come off as being critical, truly. Just trying to give you the honest answer you asked for. I completely understand the frustration of being at a place that isn’t the right fit, and I hope you can transfer to a great place that will challenge you and where you will thrive. My initial thoughts when reading your post were that you should look for schools that really are a better fit for you academically and socially. If you are just throwing your at in the ring then go for it, but if you are really focusing on transferring, I think you’ll be happier looking at universities that offer great CS programs, who have a record of increased admissions rates for transfers, and where your grades and GPA are better reflected in the student body you hope to join.

Here is a list of schools and their transfer acceptance rate, to give you an idea or your chances. Then check out their CS programs. Finally, look up their academic metrics and see where you fall.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/05/20/looking-to-change-schools-these-top-universities-take-the-most-transfer-students/?utm_term=.2553c09e5bc6

Best of luck on your search and acceptances!

@betwixt Thanks for all of the feedback! UPenn is obviously a huge reach for me, but my mindset is that the only way I know for sure that I won’t get in is if I don’t apply. I’m definitely working on finding uPenn specific things outside of student orgs and classes to mention in my “why UPenn” section.

I think one of the tough things for me GPA wise is that I haven’t felt challenged at my current school so I haven’t had the motivation (for the most part) to try harder, if that makes sense. I think that’s changed now that I am a computer science major (the 3.93 was my first semester in the CS program). I wish there was an easy way of saying “I just didn’t get it” in regards to my poor GPA (I feel like I hadn’t developed the right school skills until now) but I don’t really know what to say other than “I get that I need and want work harder now”. I was actually considering medschool for a while which gave me motivation to work for a high GPA but I don’t think I’ll be going that route. I don’t want to mention that though since I want to sound confident in my choice in CS. I am considering grad school for CS however, so maybe I can spin the GPA part to say something about that. But I think my drive to get a good GPA now really just comes from personal interest rather than as a necessity for gradschool. To be honest, I wasn’t sure I could ever get anything above a 3.5 (due to a lack of work ethic and motivation), but my last semester definitely proved me wrong.

If it works this way, I’ll be applying as a sophomore transfer since I’m in freshman standing in computer science. Since I have finished my GE classes, I’ve been using my extra space in my schedule to take higher level classes in my major.

I’ll take a look at the list you posted. I’m pretty fed up with the lack of quality students and the school’s approach to academia vs. being an attractive school for students (the partyschool environment is definitely not for me) but I don’t think I’d switch unless I’d be going somewhere with a truly elite program (like UPenn or UW).

@seacucumber3000 I know what you mean by “I just didn’t get it” - that was me in HS.

Hey guys, so great to see so many other people in the same situation. Just wondering, is there anyone on this thread who goes to Penn and really knows what it takes to get in?
Anyway, I am a freshman at University of Connecticut applying to Wharton Fall 2018.
I am attending the Stamford campus which is quite small and as a result does not have much going for clubs and activities. I am not a part of any club on campus.

I am taking all of the requirements for sophomore transfers of course, and 2 of the required course for junior transfer. I recently noticed that Penn recommends 2 semesters of a foreign language, is everyone else doing this? http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/transfer-admission/wharton-school
My GPA so far is 3.78-3.79, is this okay considering UCONN is a moderately competitive school?

Courses this year: Macroeconomics, Microeconomics, Accounting (Sophmore Level), Philosophy, Calculus, English, International Relations, Europen History, and Health Economics (Junior/Senior Level).

A and -A in all except International Relations and History.

I am the only freshman in the Health Econ course (except for my identical twin brother), everyone else either junior or senior, also should be getting a good recomendation from the professor.

Does any have an idea of what my chances could be?

Sorry if my writing is a bit unclear, I had a full day starting at 6am.

Any response is greatly appreciated! Thanks.

@seacucumber3000 There are loads of articles you can find on what colleges look for in transfer students - particularly the highly selective Ivies such as UPenn. My guess is that if you do not feel the curriculum is challenging enough for you, Penn would want to see proof of that with stellar grades and GPA. You’re saying UNH is too easy for you, but your academic stats don’t support that story. You’ll need to better address that disconnect to be successful, I think.
UPenn will also take into consideration your high school GPA and test scores, in addition to your college transcripts. And - I could be wrong - but I don’t think they’ll consider you as a rising sophomore just because that is where your your major falls. I think they’ll see you as a junior not on track to meet your gen ed and major requirements - you should call and ask them before going through the application effort.
UWashington seems like a great fit, and Cornell takes in more students as transfers than any other Ivy.
I am a firm believer in "nothing ventured, nothing gained’ but the application process is time consuming and stressful and you may want take a balanced approach after gathering specific info on Penn’s requirements, and check out threads here on 2018 ED results as well as 2017 transfer results. You’ll get a clear picture of your chances there. Then consider some of the other schools as well with better transfer odds to increase your chance of transferring and joining a student body you believe is a better fit for you.

Can someone chance me please:

Second Year Transfer
Current school: Grinnell College (Top 20 LAC)
Current GPA: 3.6
High School GPA: 3.9 W
ACT: 34
School applying for: SEAS (bioengineering)
Previous major: Biochemistry

Legacy: Double legacy (My mom got her bachelors here, and my grandfather got his MBA at Wharton)
Essays: Fairly strong

EC’s:

  • Former college football player (tore my ACLs, decided to quit) (wrote my essays on this)
  • Political internship in DC
  • Summer camp jobs
  • Clinical internship
  • A research publication (electrophysiology)
  • National Honor Society

Drawbacks:

  • Coming from a LAC trying to get into the school of engineering
  • Not all prerequisites for SEAS fufilled (not offered at my school)

As an international transfer applicant, how can I submit my transcripts online?As far as I have read on the Penn website it says to submit them by mail in a sealed envelope.Can anyone help me please it’s urgent?

As an international transfer candidate, how can I submit my transcripts online to Penn?

This discussion was created from comments split from: **University of Pennsylvania Fall 2017 Transfer Thread**.

I applied to transfer to penn last year and was rejected. Do you guys think I can use the same common app essay this year? I’ve updated a few minor things in it, but it’s still pretty much exactly the same. I feel the reasons I stated for wanting to transfer still stand, and that it’s a (relatively) strong essay. I’m just worried that the admissions office will either remember it or be able to look it up, and will think I’m lazy or otherwise count it against me. It seems unlikely, but I don’t know. Any advice?

@Neurophile my understanding is that Penn does keep your previous file. I would strongly encourage you to submit a fresh application.

So, you’re reasons for wanting Penn are the same - but a year later, you cannot be. Perhaps you can talk about what you’ve learned about yourself and your goals in the last year and how you believe you will contribute to the Penn community and what you hope to take advantage of if offered the opportunity. Tell your story from your new perspective with what you’ve learned about yourself both academically and personally in the last year.

I have a friend who coaches kids for college and for transferring. She has said that if a student applies to a top school and has been turned down, unless something significant has changed in your application (academically or extracurricularly) they won’t get it in the second time.Penncaccepte a smaller percentage of transfers than it does freshman, making it even more difficult (unlike say, Vanderbilt, where ones chances increase as a transfer.)
With that in mind I would recommend a fresh Penn app with a new more experienced voice, a reflection on where your application could improve, and perhaps picking some other schools as backup that you’d also love. Did you apply to Penn as a freshman as well?

@betwixt Thanks for the thoughtful response. I did not apply to Penn as a freshman, I wasn’t the best student for most of high school so a school like Penn wasn’t even a possibility. I feel my high school record brought me down quite a bit last year (after all it was essentially one semester of college vs all of high school) and so I was hoping if I managed to keep my performance up for a couple more semesters they wouldn’t put as much weight on my high school record. Then again, Penn accepts less junior transfers, so it may be negligible.

Last year I only applied to Penn and Columbia for transfer (rejected and wait-listed), but this year I am applying to several other schools, including Vanderbilt. Of the schools I’ve applied to, Penn and Vanderbilt are the only ones I would definitely transfer for, otherwise I may decide just to stay at my home institution.

I know Penn retains test scores, but does that applies to the essays as well? I significantly overhauled my supplemental (Penn-Specific) essay, reflecting a change in my intended major (went from bio with neuro concentration to cognitive neuroscience), and I feel it is a much stronger and confident essay than my original. For the common app essay (Why transfer?) I understand the idea of having a fresh approach, but I don’t want to write a new essay under the assumption that the person reading it has seen my old essay when they haven’t, and end up leaving out a lot of information covered in the original essay. I would in fact prefer they have read the first essay, as it would allow me to express myself more and show growth, but I don’t know if this will be the case. Even if they still have the application on file, will they go through the effort to look over it? Perhaps I should call them…

Hey everyone, I already sent in my application and I’m hoping to transfer into SEAS as a junior!

Can someone please chance me:

Current College: Top ~70 National University
Current GPA: 3.88
HS GPA: 3.7? I didn’t put in a lot of effort in high school, I’m hoping transferring as a junior (Will have completed 80 credits in total by the end of this semester) will put less emphasis on high school stats
SAT: 2000 (Again hoping less emphasis on this too coming in as a junior transfer basically)
SAT II:
-Math I : 720
-Math 2: 760
-History: 550 (I’m a lot better at math and more technical subjects lol)
Previous Major: Computer Science (Switched from mechanical engineering this past semester)
Applied to: SEAS Computer Science

EC’s:
-Mechanical Engineering Internship at NASA
-Manufacturing Engineering Internship at Lockheed Martin
-Software Development Internship at Lockheed Martin
-Incoming Software Engineering Intern at JPMorgan Chase & Co.
-Vice President of ASME at my college
-Secretary of AIAA
-RockSat-C Team
-Member of the computer science club at my school (Just switched to computer science so I have not had the chance to run for a leadership position)

Hooks:
-First generation college student (and first generation American, though not really a hook)

Can someone please chance me for SEAS computer science, and also do you guys think if I will have completed 80 credits by the end of this semester they will pay a lot of attention to high school stats and SAT scores? I will have four semesters of college done.

Thank you for any feedback you can give!