University of Scranton?

<p>momma,
I am totally confused by some of your posts. Does your friend’s son like or hate Scranton??? </p>

<p>It seems that some of the posts are sending mixed messages. :confused:</p>

<p>I am still wondering why you know so much about the school. I value Kitty’s information because she has two children that have actually experienced life at Scranton.</p>

<p>I have made it clear that my D will be attending the school in the fall. I would hate for us all to get misinformation about the school, and a bad (perhaps false) impression of the school because someone’s friend’s kid may have had a bad experience and may have got caught drinking or is struggling academically. I would not paint such a broad brush of Scranton based on hearsay or a single “friend’s” kid’s alleged experiences. </p>

<p>That said, we do appreciate any actual experiences that could help us prepare for next year.<br>
Thanks.</p>

<p>1sokkermom— I like Scranton but as with any school, it is not for everyone. I personally thought the campus was warm and welcoming.</p>

<p>Problems that I have seen:

  1. It is an expensive school for those who have a high EFC and for this reason I feel that they should have more to offer students than off campus parties on the weekend. That is where the students are headed Thursday through Saturday and everynight during the winter intersession. Kitty seems to think that there are kids going to their ECs on Thursday , Friday and Saturday night and that is just not true.</p>

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<li><p>The laws in Penn are very strict regarding undersge drinking. Every parent should know this before they send their kid off to school in Penn. Scranton had a crackdown this winter and there were too many kids cited for alcohol violations. The kids may not have been drinking (unlikely) at the party but their presence at a party with alcohol is reason enough to be cited. Again, I think parents and their kids should be aware of how this could effect them academically (will they be put out of their major?) and how does this effect your driving status. (I am not speaking of kids driving under the influence just being at a party where alcohol is served)</p></li>
<li><p>The ADP program should be revised to trully be the help that it claims or is designed to be. If a school offers such a program than they have IMHO a responsibility to make it worthwhile. There is course content that has little or no value to college students. The material is reflective of what most high achieving 7 grade students would be doing in school. To accept a student with low scores does not mean they need this type of work. It would be far more advantageous to test those students coming in to see if their skill set is so low that they need it.</p></li>
<li><p>There is a rediculous computer class that all freshman must take that needs to be revamped. The ADP math class is useless and the students would be better served reviewing highschool math rather than the math they are currently requiring the students to take in this program. 4. The school limits the ammount of credits that a student can take at a CC during the winter and summer months. They may want to reconsider this especially since they have an ADP program. It would be wiser to have these kids reduce their credit load during the semester and make credits up at a CC (expensive to stay at Scranton during the summer and winter).</p></li>
<li><p>The Universities response to the students drinking this winter was to barge in on parties and cite the students present. This also meant chasing kids through the streets. Students were claiming that the police presence was reaching rediculous levels and that force was being used against students. Facebook groups were set up by students pleading for the University to do something about the local police.</p></li>
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<p>I know that all of the above sound like I do not like the school but the reality is that I like the school so much (for the right student) that I would love to see some changes made. The number one complaint that I have is that there is just not enough of a college environment near the school. Kity speaks of a couple places but PLEASE this is not what a group of 18 to 22 year olds want when they go away to college. There is nothing in the nearby community for these kids to do. I do not consider a mall something to do. There are no cafes, restaurants, stores for students, or enough activity brought onto the campus. There will always be someone who thinks a few programs brought in every semester is enough but in a town as depressed as Scranton it is not. </p>

<p>The police should focus attention on the criminals that are holding up the students or breaking into the off campus housing and worry less about how many fines they could issue. I know the economy is bad but the town can’t pay a police force off the backs of kids at parties. </p>

<p>1sokkermom…It is a great school but I have seen enough to realize it is very expensive and I question if it is worth the price.</p>

<p>Actually, for D it was the best value because of merit money she received. :o
The nursing program was a much better option than her other choices.</p>

<p>Even without merit, Scranton was a cheaper option than two of the OOS publics that had introductory classes with 200-500 students!! I believe US News has it listed as one of the “great value” schools.</p>

<p>From what we have seen, the campus and surrounding town have as much or more to offer than most. There are certainly restaurants and coffee shops in town. There are 2 malls ( +Montage shoppes 3 miles away), movies, bowling, many cultural options (music and art venues) including a cultural center that brings in Broadway Productions, and some fairly well known musicians. There is also a Pavilion (3 miles away) that has major concerts. There is an AHL hockey team close by, and a AAA league baseball team (even though it is affiliated wit the Yankees, not the Red Sox ;)) I know my D is already planning to participate in band and intramural sports. She will probably look in to participating on or starting a coed indoor soccer team, at the river front arena close by. If a kid that doesn’t drink can’t find something to do, it may be the kid, not the school. :confused:</p>

<p>There is also a new initiative on campus that offers alternatives to alcohol. I for one, am happy that they are cracking down on drinking! There are a lot of things for non-drinking motivated students. [University</a> of Scranton | Facebook](<a href=“Facebook”>University of Scranton | Scranton PA)</p>

<p>I am still not sure if you are the parent of a current student, or how you know so much about the campus. From some of your other posts, I know you may have a child at Cornell. </p>

<p>Do you have first hand knowledge about Scranton? Everything you posted today seems to be things you have already posted about possibly based on a "friend’s kid ?</p>

<p>I have also noted that Scranton is no more “depressed” than many northeast cities despite your insistence on such. They have spent a lot of money through major revitalization projects that are continuing . In fact, they are building a new Medical School in Scranton that is scheduled to open
next year. The city houses some health related industries, and computer and insurance companies that have replaced the obsolete coal related industries. The Pocono area in general still offers a lot of recreational and tourist activities that would be attractive to non-drinking students too. I like the fact that even though it is an urban campus, the area boasts a lot of outdoor natural areas ,including a great park adjacent to campus!</p>

<p>Interesting article in today’s paper:</p>

<p>[High</a> progress in higher ed - Opinion - The Times-Tribune](<a href=“http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/high-progress-in-higher-ed-1.727130?localLinksEnabled=false]High”>http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/high-progress-in-higher-ed-1.727130?localLinksEnabled=false)</p>

<p>also intersting: <a href=“http://www.scrantonpa.gov/[/url]”>http://www.scrantonpa.gov/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Most of what you have posted requires a car. Most students do not have a car on the Scranton campus. The fact that I have two sons at Cornell, another at MIT and a daughter soon to attend a NJ state school has nothing to do with my objectivity about the Scranton area or the university. The town is depressed and it has its problems regarding crime and a very enthusiastic police force. </p>

<p>I am not so sure why it matters what my connection to the school is. I would not make these claims if I had no knowledge. You can take what I say and explore it on your own or you can disregard it. That is up to you. The town is missing the college feel and that is the truth. If you disagree than that is your prerogative. I would rather see things change so that the school has a chance of sending out more interesting graduates that did little more than party for four years. There should be more of an academic feel on this campus. They could bring in guest speakers and lecture series as well as provide buses to interesting places. The ski slopes would be a good first start. There are NO buses going to the slopes on the weekends…that is a waste or a golden opportunity in my opinion. I agree that they have an occassional outing to NYC but again it is only once a semester. They could just do more to insure that their students are not on a binge drinking spree for four years.</p>

<p>It will take a medical school to possibly see restuarants and cafes emerge. The medical school is not located near the Scranton campus so the students are still without anything in a walking distance.</p>

<p>Quote: "I am not so sure why it matters what my connection to the school is. "</p>

<p>It adds a lot to the perspective that one brings to a discussion. For example, you could be a disgruntled parent, an annoyed neighbor, a disgruntled professor, someone who got rejected or had a kid who got rejected (obviously not your case), someone who had a kid who blamed the town & school on his/her partying and possible academic difficulties, someone who had an unpleasant encounter with the police there. …The list goes on.</p>

<p>Like I said, it gives one a better perspective.</p>

<p>For example, I value the opinion of kitty56 who has made it known that she has had 2 children who attended or attend the school. Her experience(s) speak volumes! </p>

<p>There are many things within walking distance of the campus. When you state that nothing is in walking distance that is just not true. I know, we recently spent several days walking around Scranton and found a lot of things within walking distance…:eek:</p>

<p>Also, cars are allowed at Scranton beyond freshmen year. When we spoke to students during our visits, they were never at a loss of things to do, both things within walking and things within a very short driving distance! </p>

<p>I am not so sure that Scranton is all that much different than Ithaca for example. If you want to find coffee shops and restaurants in Scranton, try googling that. You may be surprised! :rolleyes:</p>

<p>I have no idea what this quote means: "I would rather see things change so that the school has a chance of sending out more interesting graduates that did little more than party for four years. " What about the students who go to med school, law school, become Fullbright scholars, attend graduate programs in nursing, etc. ???</p>

<p>Clearly someone has an axe to grind! Still not sure who or why?</p>

<p>Quote: "The medical school is not located near the Scranton campus so the students are still without anything in a walking distance. "</p>

<p>The new medical school location is about a half mile +/- from the University of Scranton campus. I would hope that it is walking distance for most 18-22 year olds!!! :eek:</p>

<p>There is a huge difference between Scranton and Ithaca. Have you been to Ithaca and visited the commons and college town? The town of Ithaca is probably one of the most academic inspiring towns in the northeast. Ithaca is where the professors live. I will not argue with you regarding the differences because it is not arguable. </p>

<p>Your graduating senior has made up their mind regarding the Scranton campus. I am not a disgruntled parent,student, or anything. As I said my ties to the school allow me to see it from the outside looking in with the perspective that not even parents may have.(kids don’t tell their parents everything) You are actually talking as though you know more and your child does not even attend yet. I have been there at least 35 times this past year alone. How many parents could say the same. My visits have included many discussions with students and I know several of the professors. Again look at what I am posting and the only thing I have stated in any negative light is the fact that the school is not offering more for its students and the surrounding town is run down and absent of anything interesting for the students. The ADP program needs some revisions and I hope they will make some changes. If something is not working then it should be fixed. That is IMHO the obligation of a university. This program gives parents the idea that their child will have their needs met when in effect that is just not true. I am not an advocate of hand holding students through college but if a college states that they are doing something then they should do it. </p>

<p>There are very happy kids attending Scranton but you must remember that if it is the only college they have attended could they compare it to what they have never experienced. I hope the medical school in the town of Scranton will bring a more interesting vibe to the town. I would like to think it will just with the fact that the medical students and faculty will expect more than what is there now. This could be the start of something good that will improve the quality of life for Scranton students in the future.</p>

<p>I have no idea what the ADP program is. What percentage of students does this even apply to?</p>

<p>It is not a large percentage of students but it is big enough to warrent a closer look. Your child is obviously not being admitted under this program or you would have noticed it already in the accepted student information.</p>

<p>Thanks momma. I found this link. This is the only thing I could find.</p>

<p><a href=“http://matrix.scranton.edu/academics/provost/PDFs/academic-policies/Students_Academic_Needs.pdf[/url]”>http://matrix.scranton.edu/academics/provost/PDFs/academic-policies/Students_Academic_Needs.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I think many colleges offer additional academic help to students, but there are no guarantees.</p>

<p>The student has to take the responsibility and meet certain criteria. This policy suggests to me that if the student doesn’t meet certain standards they will be dismissed. The school makes no guarantee to “spoon feed” the students. Nor should they. This is a University, not a technical or vocational school. :confused:</p>

<p>Why is that different than any other college? If students choose to party instead of studying, they will fail. It happens all the time.</p>

<p>It looks like this is a “conditional” acceptance. I have seen other colleges offer that for specific programs, including nursing. If the student can meet the criteria they can stay. If they can not meet the standards, their “low scores” (as you previously alluded to) may have been indicative of the fact that maybe they aren’t cut out for college work or a specific program. Some kids just aren’t.</p>

<p>Please read my post again. I do not suggest that a student should have their hand held. I am suggesting that if there is a program whereby students are being admitted with academic needs than the student should be receiving the services that the college claims to provide. The program at Scranton could be improved a great deal. The admitted students for example could attend the campus during the summer, prior to beginning in the fall, and begin extentive work in either/or writing/reading or math. The student can then begin the regular course of study and not be required to take such a big credit load in the following semesters to make up for the non credit courses they had to take. These students should also be required to meet with support staff to ensure that their academic concerns are being met. There should not be cases of kids in this program not having tutors show up or show up on a sporadic basis. </p>

<p>There are many parents who post on the forum who have kids with special needs attending college. These are the types of concerns those parents have when they are looking at coleges with their kids.</p>

<p>As far as some of the other course work is concerned they can certainly look at the mandatory computer class and get rid of it. It is a real waste of time and I have yet to meet a kid there who thinks it is worth while.</p>

<p>I agree that the computer class may be a waste of time.</p>

<p>Quote:" I am suggesting that if there is a program whereby students are being admitted with academic needs than the student should be receiving the services that the college claims to provide. "</p>

<p>What services does the college claim to provide, and to whom? Can you provide a link? The link I just provided above makes no claims other than to offer students some additional (conditional pre-college) classes.</p>

<p>The sheer fact that a college admits a student with scores considered to be sub par by the college and provides the student with a program said to be focused on said weak areas than they need to ensure that they could effectivly manage the program.</p>

<p>The school may admit the student (with sub par scores) conditionally. It is up to the student to prove that they can handle the rigors of college. This is not at all unique to Scranton. Some kids are just not meant to be in college, or are not willing to make the effort to prove that they are. That is NOT the responsibility of any college to make sure that ALL kids succeed. Some won’t no matter where they attend college.</p>

<p>(One important thing we considered as part of D’s extensive evaluation process is that Scranton does seem to have a fairly high freshman retention rate, so they must be doing something right for the majority of first year students.) Unfortunately, there will always be the kid who is the exception. In this case, it may have been your friend’s kid. You must be a great friend if you visited the University over 35 times this year for your friend!</p>

<p>Try to find the retention rates for the past two years.</p>

<p>Most recent retention rates by available sources:</p>

<p>US News (2010 Edition) - 90%</p>

<p>Princeton Review - 90.4%</p>

<p>University of Scranton website: (average year to year) 91.1%</p>

<p>Please provide any information to the contrary. We would be interested in your information and sources. Thanks!</p>

<p>(This was an important consideration in D’s review of colleges to which she was accepted. Scranton ranked very high in this category.)</p>

<p>Retention rates at colleges universally may have gone down slightly in the past two years as a function of the economy. Often times kids drop out in poor economic times. I haven’t seen any statistics yet. Again, not sure such a scenario would be unique to any institution, although the private colleges may see more of an impact than the publics.</p>

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<p>I don’t know if you were referring to me, but my kids grew up spending time on a lot of different college campuses as my husband is a college professor and I worked at a university. They also had activities that had them spend time on many additional college campuses. Some were rural, some urban, some suburban. No one was more surprised than I was when my first one LOVED Scranton from the minute we first visited over 9 years ago. I didn’t think she would like the city. But we all found it to be great. We were impressed with the revitalization downtown. The courthouse and surrounding area has undergone great renovations. The buildings and architecture in the city are amazing. My second started at another college and immediately wanted to transfer - talk about nothing to do! So their college experience is not limited to one school - far from it.</p>

<p>Is Scranton perfect? No - no college is. But in our case the benefits FAR outweigh any deficit. I encourage people to visit and make their own determination. I have told people that Scranton will not hold your hand. The student must ask for help when needed and the student is actually expected to work at it. Nothing is handed to them. Both my kids have had to advocate for themselves at certain points. What a great real-life experience! Offices don’t want parents calling. They want the student to take charge and learn to solve their problems.</p>

<p>And, no, I don’t think that students are doing EC’s on Thurs., Fri., Sat. and Sun. nights. But sometimes out of those EC’s comes social events. Many of the clubs do fundraisers so they can do things of interest to the club. One of my kids was in a club that also went out together socially a couple of times a month, plus they had events on weekends. There were upperclassmen who would give rides to those without cars. Clubs also have community service requirements and many of those are done on weekends. One kid’s group of friends did pizza and cards nights on weekends. Another had video game nights with kids playing against each other. AND, if a student is involved in EC’s during the week, the weekends provide a great opportunity to get their coursework done. I realize that is not the popular thing, but the good students do that. </p>

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<p>They do. They also have theater and musical performances, art exhibits, a big concert in the spring, comedians, etc. </p>

<p>I’m sorry your friend’s son is not happy. But he made the choice to go to the parties where by state law, it is illegal for people under 21 to be around alcohol. So he chose to take his chances. Maybe if he could get involved with some of the on-campus clubs he would find people with similar interests that would give him things to do on the weekends. </p>

<p>I’m sorry the students with whom you speak seem to be unhappy. But I guess they are not leaving. 1sokkermom posted the retention rates which seem pretty darn good. And yes, that is a statistic we took into consideration also.</p>

<p>And US News seems to like Scranton just fine. They are ranked 3rd in the master’s north category for best undergraduate teaching ahead of both Villanova and Loyola-Maryland. In overall ranking, they are ranked 7th, tied with Ithaca and ahead of such colleges as RIT, St. Joe’s and Marist, and are also ranked 10th as a Best Value. Scranton’s cost is certainly in the same range as the private colleges above and below it.</p>

<p>My kids have gotten great opportunities within the city of Scranton as well. One did an internship at the Federal court building and the other is gainfully employed downtown, making more an hour in a part time job than I do! Life isn’t so bad if you have direction, are willing to work hard and not spend your life in a keg of beer. But again, THAT IS A CHOICE!!</p>

<p>I would like to thank all three of you, this back and forth has really painted an appealing picture of U of Scranton. DS is just a frosh but he has said he is open to going oos and since we are Catholic I have been looking for schools that may appeal to him, that he will likely have a good shot at getting into, which are also Catholic.</p>

<p>The debate is great! It brings out truth and forces people to research. So thank you. Honestly, I am not being snarky. U of S stays on the list of schools I will encourage my son to explore. momma-three you offered critiques, which sokkermom and kittie have rebutted beautifully. </p>

<p>You took a new forum and created lively discussion that was productive and informative. Thanks again!</p>