<p>If all you said is true, then do not worry you will have a shot. Try hard in high school and continue what you are doing. Harvard will then ultimately decide whether you fit and that is their, and only, their chocie. You can only present your case, the rest is up to them - so don’t ponder about it too much and continue with your effort - that is all that is in your power.</p>
<p>I suggest looking for the stats of the other Indian int’l students who have been admitted to Harvard. Then you can gauge on your own.</p>
<p>Original Poster, Harvard can do no such thing. You have to do these things, yourself. It’s insulting to say Penn, Stanford, Oxford, etc, cannot do for you what Harvard can do. College is a personal experience. I can scarcely understand your posts: it doesn’t seem that you speak fast, idiomatic, English. You will understand that the American college experience is very different than you make it out to be. The SAT is not a college-entrance exam, enjoying school and getting perfect grades {while helping} will not get you into the arguably most prestigious, most-coveted, university in the world.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that this is a ■■■■■.</p>
<p>Hi All,
Well thanks again for all the advice that you’ve all provided but any way, let me get straight to the point - Well I DON’T exactly say that Penn, Stanford and Oxford CAN’T do what Harvard can! Again, I DON’T exactly say that Penn, Stanford and Oxford CAN’T do what Harvard can, BUT I DO have some Genuine and Valid concerns/problems/points, which I have listed below:
Point #1. Although Penn offers EXACTLY the majors which I plan to pursue and MEETS all of my requirements, Penn has a NEED BASED Admissions Policy for INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS, Which means that My ability to Pay for a Penn Education DIRECTLY affects My chances of getting in; (see the content I’ve copied from Penn’s Int’l Admissions FAQ site… ["Q. Does Penn have financial aid available for international students?</p>
<p>A. Yes. The University of Pennsylvania has limited need-based financial aid available for students who are not U.S. citizens or bona fide permanent residents of North America. For citizens and permanent residents of the United States, Canada, and Mexico, we maintain a need-blind admissions policy and aid all needy candidates.</p>
<p>Q. I am not a citizen of the United States, Canada, or Mexico. Will applying for financial aid affect my chances of admission?</p>
<p>A. Yes. Students whose families have the means to afford the full cost of attending Penn are strongly urged not to apply for Penn sponsored financial aid. If your family cannot afford the total cost of Penn, then you must apply for financial aid. Please note that you will be in competition for very limited funds. In recent years, we have offered an average of 50 aid awards to admitted freshmen and one or two to admitted international transfer students.</p>
<p>Q. If I apply for financial aid as an international student, will Penn offer me admission without offering a financial aid package?</p>
<p>A. No. Some candidates whom we would like to admit will be turned away because we exhaust our aid budget." (From <a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/applying/intl-faq.php[/url]”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/applying/intl-faq.php</a>) ] and I happen to come from a MIDDLE-CLASS family in India and my folks DON’T happen to be Filthy Rich and they DON’T happen to have Millions to spend, and a Penn Education JUST happens to COST A BOMB!! And BTW my folks ARE working their BUTTS off and saving ALL the money they can find so that they’ll have enough to pay for my Penn education, and BECAUSE Penn’s NEED BASED Admissions policy Means that My ability to Pay for a Penn education DIRECTLY affects my chances of getting in, I’ve got NO option but to PUT ASIDE Penn and focus on OTHER universities such as Harvard, which JUST happens to be VERY close to my heart; and coming to Stanford, well Stanford, AFAIK, DOESN’T offer some of the minors, which I plan to Pursue, and Oxford DOESN’T allow me to pursue MULTIPLE majors and it DOESN’T allow me to pursue MINORS;
Point #2. Dear Mr/Mrs Techy233, this is in RESPONSE to your words “I can scarcely understand your posts: it doesn’t seem that you speak fast, idiomatic, English.” Well let me put it this way, My High-School English Curriculum DOESN’T include “Fast, Idiomatic English”, as they focus a LOT on OLD-FASHIONED FORMAL English, and BTW My High School is affiliated to the National Institute of Open Schooling ([National</a> Institute of Open Schooling Site](<a href=“http://www.nos.org%5DNational”>http://www.nos.org)) and NIOS DOESN’T include "Fast, Idiomatic English, as I’ve already mentioned, and I do my LEVEL BEST to try to speak in as good an English as i can, but still if you have any difficulty in understanding what I say,then please let me know which of my Words/Sentences you have trouble in understanding, and I’ll clarify your doubts, and BTW as you just said “Harvard can do no such thing. You have to do these things, yourself.” what exactly do you mean? Coz I’m a bit CONFUSED ;
Point #3. If the SAT ISN’T a college-entrance exam, then HOW COME so many TOP-LEVEL American Colleges/Universities DEMAND it huh?
Point #4. Dear Mr/Mrs, Shepiran, Let me tell you that I AM a HUMAN and I am NOT trying to ■■■■■!!
Any Help would be MOST appreciated,
Yours,
KMB</p>
<p>madananteshwar - </p>
<p>Ok, I am finally reposting on this thread. I am not quite sure why I am bothering but I will. </p>
<p>You keep complaining that no one here will share that little secret that will get you admitted to Harvard. Well, there is no secret. For the average applicant (and that includes students who have/are valedictorians, 4.0s, perfect SATs, national and international awards). From what I understand about international, the odds are worse. Further, if any of us had access to that magic thing that would guarantee and applicants acceptance, that person would be a millionaire. There is not one thing or one group of things that will guarantee your acceptance. So STOP with the “please tell me what to do”. Go do your best and the rest is up to Harvard. It is that simple.</p>
<p>As for removing Yale because you are “scared”, you are seeing only what you want to see. You say you can’t apply there because of the murder yet you want to apply to Harvard where we had a drug deal gone bad murder in the dorm only months ago. Hmm… maybe you need to remove Harvard from your list now too.</p>
<p>As for the comment about the SAT not being a college entrance exam. You need to understand that, as I understand it, the process in other countries IS different. There are countries where the student takes a test or group of tests and the result determines where that student will get to attend for their higher education. The SAT is nothing like that. There is no SAT score that will guarantee an applicant’s admission. I believe that that is what techy233 was trying to say.</p>
<p>Like Sephiran, I have wondered if you are a ■■■■■. My reason goes back to your pleading for the key to getting accepted to Harvard, when everyone knows there is none, and you assertion that Harvard is the only school for you.</p>
<p>So now you have asked for help. My suggestion is first to focus on your studies and activities and stop trying to prep for Harvard. If you have done your best, there is nothing else you can do. If Harvard wants you, you will get accepted. My next suggestion is to come up with a list of backup colleges because the odd are that you, like the vast majority of applicants, will not be accepted. You need to accept this and have other options ready.</p>
<p>Other than those two suggestions, I have nothing more to add.</p>
<p>PS xenobll had good advice about looking for the profiles for past Indian applicants and checking out the results.</p>
<p>Hi all,
Thanks for all the help you’ve given all along, and BTW Your help HAS been helpful and I HAVE taken your advice on preparing a BACKUP list of colleges, and I HAVE seriously thought about what you all have said, and below is my reply:
Point #1. This goes out to smoda61, Dear Sir/Madam, you said “As for removing Yale because you are “scared”, you are seeing only what you want to see. You say you can’t apply there because of the murder yet you want to apply to Harvard where we had a drug deal gone bad murder in the dorm only months ago. Hmm… maybe you need to remove Harvard from your list now too.” well let me put it THIS WAY, I HAVEN’T heard of any RECENT murder at Harvard as as NEITHER CNN International NOR any T.V. News channel on INDIAN television NOR nay newspaper in INDIA reported on the issue, and BTW I AM willing to explore OTHER Universities and Colleges AS LONG as my SAFETY and SECURITY is guaranteed and also as long as there’s FINANCIAL AID available for INTERNATIONAL students, as I come from a MIDDLE-CLASS Indian family and my folks DON’T really have a LOT of money and as you’d probably know by now, going to a good college/university COSTS A BOMB. I mean like, WHICH student WOULDN’T be concerned for His/her SAFETY and SECURITY huh? And NOT like MANY of us can AFFORD fancy Secret-service like bodyguards!! And WHICH student WOULDN’T want to be able to access help in order to PAY for His/her College education when He/she CAN’T afford it HUH? Coz NOT may of us are BIG-SHOT MULTIMILLIONAIRES!! And as for the stats, WHERE can I FIND it??
Any help would be MOST appreciated,
Yours,
KMB</p>
<p>Man, he really went crazy with the capitalized words this time.</p>
<p>Not that these next links from the past 6 months would stop me from sending my daughter to Harvard (even without a bodyguard) but I also would not hesitate to send her to Yale either due to the recent grad student murder.
[Harvard</a> Murder Exposes Campus Drug Trade | News One](<a href=“http://newsone.com/nation/harvard-murder-exposes-campus-drug-trade/]Harvard”>Harvard Murder Exposes Campus Drug Trade)
[Harvard:</a> Lab Workers Poisoned by Tainted Coffee](<a href=“News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines - AOL.com”>News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines - AOL.com)
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/784118-25-most-dangerous-college-campuses.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/784118-25-most-dangerous-college-campuses.html</a>
BTW, even the safest of campuses cannot guarantee the safety you say that you require.</p>
<p>As for stats, here are the 2013 and 2012 CC decision threads.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/681434-official-harvard-university-2013-decisions-thread.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/681434-official-harvard-university-2013-decisions-thread.html</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/483555-official-harvard-2012-decisions-thread.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/483555-official-harvard-2012-decisions-thread.html</a></p>
<p>You are seriously not understanding what people are trying to say to you. Your +/-60% out of 100% would be considering FAILING in this country. </p>
<p>Oh, now I get why you capitalize. It’s FUN!</p>
<p>You can check the “what are my chances?” subforum for the stats of upcoming batch of students. For those who have been admitted, check the official harvard 2013 thread. However, there are no guarantee that the 2013 thread has the stats for Indian int’l students though.</p>
<p>p.s. btw here is a mini-chance: i think your stats are not really there for harvard so the probability of admission is about 2%</p>