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<p>So where’s the data for the top 75% of applicants? And you’re awfully presumptuous if you think I even want to apply. </p>
<p>I find it really funny how you and a few posters are so defensive. “That you don’t have and can’t get.” You do realize that you need a high GPA to get into a PhD program, right? Keep it coming. The more presumptions you make, the better it is.</p>
<p>Maybe I am one of those angry moms?</p>
<p>Maybe, but nope son doesn’t attend the school I mentioned in my post. Rather I was highlighting the info for posters other than Brian1 so that they would realize some of the “nuances” Curm speaks of. Only in-state students, small class and looking for specific attributes, so not easy to get into.</p>
<p>Interesting that someone’s perspective of earning potential of a physician would be linked to Step 1 scores and working harder.</p>
<p>If my son was primarily interested in earning potential then he would have taken his ivy league econ degree and accepted the hedge fund job offered to him a year before graduation. His 2 friends with the same degree did not opt for med school and rather took the job offer with the boutique pe firm and are currently drawing a salary and bonus far exceeding a physician’s income. Other buddy is a second year at Harvard Law and is in the process of firming up his offers for graduation. If money was the issue he would not be at med school.</p>
<p>And surprise he is interested in primary care, with all those sick and ill patients with tons of accompanying paperwork and long, long hours. He is counting on it. </p>
<p>As far as working hard he managed to complete an econ degree, certificate + another 2 degrees BS in biochem and microbio with a genetics minor at another university all before he was 23 as a D1 athlete. So he is willing to work hard and yes he does have a pulse.</p>
<p>And all this without a penny from his family. All him. All the time.</p>
<p>Can you say the same Brian1?</p>
<p>Just needs to have a pulse? Sure.</p>
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<p>Actually more critical for STEM (and I would suspect many other) PhD programs are your LORs and relevant research experience than a raw GPA. Many PhD programs only look at your last 2 years of undergrad and only at the upper level grades in your major.</p>
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<p>Yeah, D1 (who’s attending one those schools where you ‘don’t need a pulse’ mostly because it’s one of the least expensive options in the country) turned down a [fully funded] Top 10 grad program in a STEM field. She’ll graduate with little debt which will give her the freedom to choose any medical specialty she finds interesting [whether it’s primary care or ortho] without having to worry about servicing a $300,000 loan at 6.8%. </p>
<p>Her choice will also allow her to set up her practice wherever she chooses–and she is repulsed by big cities. So she will be able to live in a lovely Rocky Mtn. ski town (which is current plan).</p>
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<p>Your son is an exception. Most premeds would not have a shot in hell at a hedge fund or MBB for that matter.</p>
<p>^^^ kat. We “Parents of the Dull Crayolas” need to form a support group so we can share our tales of woe. Just wish our kids woulda tried a little harder, been a little smarter. Maybe then we could have a shred of dignity left. <sigh> Oh, and I googled MBB. Apparently it is an acronym for Milk’em, Bribe’em, and Bluff . Some sorta Wall Street crap.</sigh></p>
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<p>It depends on the program. It’s more big picture than some other admissions. I had a 3.8+ when I applied to PhD programs, LORs, good GREs. </p>
<p>Only 1 percent of MBB applicants even make it, after interviews and case studies to filter applicants. Statistically, it’s more difficult to get a MBB job than it is to get into med school.</p>
<p>Should have tried harder. ;)</p>
<p>Kat’s son isn’t a dull crayon. He got a hedge fund job straight out of college. That’s more impressive to me.</p>
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lol. That would at least explain your presence here gumming up the works with your “I spent two hours googling” level of knowledge of the app/med school process. The other choices I’ve come up with are waaay less complimentary.</p>
<p>So spill. What’s the story?</p>
<p>No back story. Just bored and googled for a few hours. I’m really all about hedge funds and MBBs.</p>
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<p>It really was an honest question. I figured you may be bitter about having to reapply and thus were taking your frustrations out on random people, which I personally think would be forgivable. </p>
<p>So…let me get this straight. I am trying not to presume things so I hope you’ll correct me if I go astray (sincere).</p>
<p>1) You are not a med student, a part of the medical field, or have family who are in the medical field</p>
<p>2) You are not an undergrad or other person who is applying to medical school</p>
<p>3) You have multiple degrees from highly respected universities and seem to be either gainfully employed in the field you chose or still part of a PhD program in a relevant field</p>
<p>4) You joined a forum intended for high school and undergrad students interested in medicine for the sole purpose of ruffling feathers and berating people who really (honestly!) are just trying to help other students figure out their futures</p>
<p>I guess I just don’t understand why you’d bother reading, researching, writing, and replying to a bunch of posts that probably have no implication on your future or on your loved ones’ future. I am genuinely curious at your rationale for disrupting a usually pleasant forum, and would read about it if you posted it. </p>
<p>I’m probably just speaking for myself, and I mean no disrespect, but if you’re just out there trying to ruffle feathers and practically bully internet strangers, there are places where you will get a much more satisfying response than here. You could probably get a lot of bang for your buck by visiting websites like studentdoctor.net.</p>
<p>Brian, you must be really bored because “you are gumming up the works” (great phrase curmudgeon) all over these forums. Maybe as you mentioned on another thread, time to look at your dosage on those pills again.</p>
<p>(cross post w Kristin)</p>
<p>Presumptious? Hmmm. </p>
<p>UCB grad who goes to Chicago for post-grad. Says he applied to PhD. programs. Fascinated with money and Wall Street. All his “not the brightest” friends from high school all got into med school without breaking a sweat. Googles around for admissions stats. Posts them as gospel without understanding them. Doesn’t ask a single question, just spouts off “bar knowledge” of a process he has never been involved in. Gee. Sounds to me like politics or Wall Street may well be in your future. </p>
<p>So, what is it? Why the interest? Mythical younger sibling interested? lol</p>
<p>Edit: Cross-posted.</p>
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Aaah. Now we get it. It would be like somebody coming on a bicycle racing forum to talk about how they are not real athletes. There’s an internet name for that…but I’m old and I forget stuff. 
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<p>Good day, Brian. You’ve had your fun.</p>
<p>Now, let us get back to the job at hand. Med school admissions and occasional and sometimes subtle bragging about our “not so bright” kids. ;)</p>
<p>Interesting take on hedge funds/i-banking jobs. Same son in med school would say you just need a pulse for that. His undegrad send plenty to the street and some of those are not because they worked super hard rather their last name and daddies’ drinking buddies had alot more to do with it, at least for those who just had a pulse.</p>
<p>And son’s letter of rec from the recent nobel prize winner in econ didn’t really impress the ad comms for SOMs.</p>
<p>So note to others, there is very good info on this site about applying to med school, the app process, the money, the time. Don’t become distracted by all the noise.</p>
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<p>Nepotism and cronyism play a role at top programs for hedge funds. The job itself though is hell on earth and probably the most demanding of any field hours wise. And that’s why the compensation is unbeatable. For top consulting work like MBB only 1% make it to the final stage after multiple interviews and case studies, so it is harder to get a MBB job than to get into a low ranked med school. MBB is better than hedge funds in that there are more advancement opportunities and you can stay in the industry for years. It pays less but isn’t as up and out.</p>
<p>It’s also harder to start for the Lakers than getting into med school. What is the point you are making? Most med students have zippo interest in Wall Street. Most on Wall Street have zero interest in medicine. Don’t see a lot of overlap on the app front. lol</p>
<p>Wait…Are you trying to quantify value of the professions as some sort of exercize in “I’m better than you because I’m a _________”? lol I am starting to see the light. 
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<p>I don’t think anybody here is interested but you could start that thread.</p>
<p>I don’t agree; the only way you can show you are smarter than everyone else is by going to a place like CC and telling people you are. Besides, World of Warcraft gets boring eventually; I’m guessing he’ll get bored here and move on to SDN next.</p>
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<p>I’m gonna guess you are currently in high school. </p>
<p>@curmudgeon,
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<p>I’ll just post this again to get everyone back on track. We should be inspiring applicants.</p>