unsure about whether to apply EDII

<p>I am a student from New York with 1360 SAT scores (710 v, 650 m), and a 3.8 gpa. My course-load for this year is arguably the toughest of any student in my class: 3 APs (Bio, Human Geo, Economics), Spanish IV Honors and Precalc (I was behind in math and spanish due to the fact that I moved to new york middle of freshman year and had to play catchup), a Syracuse U English course that all upper-echlon seniors take, and a documentary production class. I am a varsity member of the tennis team, and the quizbowl team, both of which are ranked #1 in the county. I'm in national honor society, amnesty intl, newspaper, the school musical, and a few other clubs. My reccommendations and essays are going to be very good.</p>

<p>I am looking to study international relations and the schools I am applying to are:</p>

<p>Tufts
Northwestern
Wesleyan
Carleton
George Washington
Brandeis
Drew
SUNY (Binghampton, Geneseo)
Wheaton (MA)
U Delaware</p>

<p>Tufts is my first choice, but not completely overwhelmingly. If I had to choose right now, Tufts would be the choice, but the ability to visit the schools to which I am accepted is something that I appeals to me--although there is a voice in my head that says, "If you don't apply to Tufts early, you may not get in."</p>

<p>Another thing that might come into play is the amount of people in my class applying to Tufts. Although my GPA is at the Tufts median, I have a relatively low class rank due to the fact that I moved from out-of-state my Freshman year and sort of a slow start, and couldn't benefit from the accellerated type courses that my peers did. My class rank is somewhere around 12%, but would be the lowest among the people who may or may not be applying there. However, my SAT scores (1s and 2s) are higher than all of these people with the exception of one (although I am fairly certain that she is going to Johns Hopkins since she is being recruited for volleyball). The other kids are all applying to other schools early (Vanderbilt, Middlebury and Lehigh), but have Tufts as their #1 school if they were not to get in.</p>

<p>Considering these factors, how much of an advantage will applying to Tufts EDII give me?</p>

<p>If you apply ED and are accepted, would you do a happy dance, call your grandparents with the great news, beam with pride when you see your guidance counselor on Monday, order a Tufts teeshirt and car sticker from the online store? </p>

<p>Or would you be filled with regret that you didn't see the other schools first and forever wonder, "Could I have been happier there?" (IMHO, you should have visited prospective schools during your junior year and this past fall. No excuses, they are all within a day's drive of each other except Carlton and Northwestern.) </p>

<p>Let your answer to these questions be your guide. </p>

<p>FWIW, my son applied to Tufts ED2 after a Yale rejection during the SCEA round. Tufts was his clear first choice from the start. The Yale application was just for the hell of it, with a "nothing ventured" type of attitude. If there hadn't been a Tufts ED2, he would never have applied to Yale EA. Stats were SAT1530, top 4%, 4.4 GPA, most difficult courseload, committed ECs, yadda yadda. He loved Tufts so much that he was going to do everything in his power to strengthen his application, and applying ED was the ultimate way to do that. I understand you wanting to strengthen your application too but if you will feel regret for doing so, you might want to take your chances in the RD round.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>I completely agree with jjsmom. Tufts is not likely to accept a huge crowd from one school and since you're on the lower end of the applicants from your school in terms of your scores, the ED would really help your chances as Tufts believes it supremely important that they accept students who want to go there. But do not apply ED if you will forever regret it as this is obviously not a good decision for you to make. Good luck!</p>

<p>Something to make you feel better: admissions doesn't really consider too much who else is applying from your school. Really. They have 15,000 apps to sort through. In 2003, they accepted 25 students from Stuyvesant. Usually, about 800 schools are represented for 1,200 incoming students. </p>

<p>EXPLAIN the thing about not having accelerated courses weighed into your GPA. Seriously. With 15,000 applications, admissions cannot speculate about the reasons for a low class rank. They'll spend about 1/2 hour on your application and probably make a decision. Mention somewhere (teacher rec, guidance counselor rec, addendum) that you don't have the benefit of honours weighting because you changed schools. Also mention that you matured as a student - if it took you until you hit 16 to blossom, that's fine. Really. I know a few people who had mediocre freshman/soph years, then great junior/senior years, and got in.</p>

<p>Now, about ED... it will help you stand out - but JJ'smoms advice is great. If you are accepted and want to make a 12-hour round trip just to get a Tufts bumper sticker, apply ED II. (Cough cough!) If not - AND if you like your safety schools (yes, another thing to consider) then apply RD.</p>

<p>Or... will you be blessed to find a wonderful Tufts grad who lives in the area who will offer to purchase said shirt and car sticker for you at the Tufts Bookstore? (THANKS ARIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was the most exciting gift Jj ever received!!!)</p>

<p>(LMAO!) LOVE YOU, BARB!! Of COURSE you both are very welcome. SO EXCITED that JJ is at Tufts and loving it. Really. :) But the idea is there - he would make the trip for the bumper sticker. That will be the new CC "Should I apply ED?" test.</p>

<p>Ok... i've decided that I <em>am</em> going to be applying to Tufts ED, after all.</p>

<p>One more question: How long should the blurb about why I want to apply ED be?</p>

<p>500ish words, emphasis on "ish."</p>

<p>And the deadline for the ED signature sheet with said essay is the same as everything else, correct?</p>

<p>Also, I've written my "optional" essay below. Can you let me know if you feel that I am making strong points with my paper? I've ran it past my parents, my private counselor and my high school counselor, and they all like it;I just feel like I want more opinions, I guess.</p>

<p>Thank you!!</p>

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Although I don’t remember exactly when the news came, I do remember it being very abrupt and unexpected. While vacationing in Hawaii the previous year, my mother, a pediatrician, had attended several medical lectures. I didn’t think anything of it at the time, being too preoccupied with the ocean and the sunny weather. However, I was surprised when my mother told me was that she was dissatisfied with her current practice and that she was considering a job in Hawaii. To this day, I don’t remember my initial reactions, whether I thought about how much I would miss my friends or how cool it would be to swim in the ocean every day. What I do remember is how hard it was to say goodbye to my grandfather, my dog and cat, and our housekeeper, Carmen, who had lived with us since I was two and had become a second mother to me.
My family and I moved to Hawaii on New Year’s Day, 1997, beginning a far different experience than I’d had in San Francisco. My parents, wary of the reputation of the Hawaiian public schools, enrolled me in a Catholic School. Although I made plenty of friends at my new school, my grades started to decline. I had been used to getting A’s in all of my classes. Suddenly, I was getting B’s, C’s and D’s. I was forgetting to do assignments on time. I stopped paying attention and taking notes in class. Sixth grade became seventh grade, and seventh grade became eighth grade. Spurts of improvement were sporadic and short-lived. My teachers all said the same thing, “Daniel is very smart, but needs to do the homework and turn in his assignments on time.” Whether I was forgetful, bored, or simply rebelling against the rigid Catholic school homework philosophy, I am not sure; but a change was necessary. </p>

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Starting with my first day of school, that is exactly what happened. My grades came back up to my capabilities, and soon I was in the higher level classes that I loved, participating in engaging discussions with teachers and other students. Now I take advantage of every educational opportunity rather than wonder what could have been.</p>

<p>Do you guys really think that it really doesn't matter how many people apply from the same school? Because some of the best kids in my class who are applying to Harvard, Yale, Penn, Duke, etc. are applying to Tufts RD. I am supposed to hear from Penn tomorrow and if i got rejected i was thinking about applying to Tufts EDII b/c i liked it a lot and maybe i would have a better chance to get in ED2 than RD. Also after my 2 top choices (Penn and BC) Tufts is the best school, and it would be really nice to find out Feb.1. I know Tufts is a better school than BC but like a friend of mine got deferred by BC and got accepted ED to Tufts. Is it the fact that they like ED applicants that my chances would be better to get in?</p>

<p>I don't really see much point in applying anywhere EDII because you're already going to have to file RD apps to other schools. If you're going through all of the added work of applying to those schools, you might as well afford yourself the opportunity to at least make a real decision regarding where you are going to go to college. The only time I really think that it makes sense is if the rest of the colleges don't compare to it in your opinion. Otherwise, I'd apply RD if I were you and in doing so, have the added flexibility.</p>

<p>I disagree. Tufts seems to really care about accepting people who want to go there. It is important that they know that you really want to go there- this helps a lot in admission. Applying ED is the ultimate way to show them how much you want to go there and will boost your chances significantly. Especially considering the fact that many people from your school applying, most of the stronger candidates than you, applying ED would help you stand out from the crowd and look more appealing to Tufts than the others will. Good luck!</p>

<p>I agree with Julia here. There are some schools where you get a huge advantage in applying ED over RD and Tufts is one of them. My son applied ED2, and yeah, he had to get his RD applications in also but he gladly withdrew them when he received the happy news of acceptance at Tufts.</p>

<p>It does definitely help at Tufts to apply ED!</p>

<p>What's the acceptance rate early decision at Tufts?</p>

<p><a href="http://admissions.tufts.edu/admstat.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://admissions.tufts.edu/admstat.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>According to that site 42% were accepted ED, versus 27% overall.</p>

<p>nonono...42% of the entering class was enrolled via early decision. When you look at all the numbers, it turns out that 38% of ED applicants were accepted and 25% of RD. Because ED only took up about 8 or 9% of all applications, 27% of all applicants were accepted.</p>

<p>Dang, you're right. This is why I leave the math stuff to my Tufts kid. :) </p>

<p>However, the point is that applying ED certainly helps ones chances of admission. And, that 42% debunks the myth of Tufts being the dumping ground of Ivy League rejects -- it is the first choice of many high caliber applicants.</p>

<p>Jjsmom- You can apply SCEA, then EDII if you're rejected? I think I'll do the same thing your son did! I didn't even think about that!</p>

<p>Hmm I have something to add to the "Will ED really help?" discussion. A friend of mine from school was in love with Tufts and applied ED I. She had pretty solid stats, but thought that what hurt her was a 3.6 GPA and being a white girl from New Jersey. At the time, I had applied ED to Penn, so we were waiting for mid-December anxiously...and then both got deferred. Now, it's not as if the DEFERRALS were what did it, but over the months leading up to RD...we both kind of grew disenchanted with our respective schools. I found out that Penn's environment was way too preprofessional, and the departments I wanted to study in were substandard. Meanwhile I discovered Dartmouth and the girl discovered Wake Forest, which we had never heard about, and they became our first choices (well...Dartmouth was my fave REACH, but Tufts was by far my fave regular school, to be fair.)</p>

<p>Now I don't know how much you guys know about Dartmouth or Wake Forest...but they are REALLY REALLY different from Penn and Tufts, respectively. When RD decisions came out, both me and my friend found ourselves waitlisted at our top choices, and REJECTED from the places we applied to ED. But I had gotten into Tufts over her, and felt really guilty, esp. since it was where I was planning on going now - she waved me off impatiently and said, "In all honesty? I don't even really like it that much anymore."</p>

<p>The story has a happy ending, though. I'm going to Tufts, and she got into Wake Forest off the waitlist. I GUESS what I'm trying to say, in that ridiculously long comment, is that even though we both applied to our schools ED and loved them sosososo much back in the autumn, neither of us got in...and we didn't care! Because by April it became apparent that they weren't what we were looking for. So please, please, please, do ALL your research before you decide to apply ED. Because when my mom randomly suggested I apply to Dartmouth, which I had discounted b/c i thought it was 6 hours away and then realized it was only 3.5, I found that it had virtually everything I wanted in a school, and was very very thankful that Penn hadn't taken me in ED.</p>

<p>That said, GOOD LUCK!</p>