UPenn Transfer Thread Fall 2021

Don’t worry. My son’s college report was sent in Jan. and it was showed as awaiting for some period of time. Then around Mar. 14, it was updated as received. They just don’t have the manpower to update the portal in time.

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thanks! i was beginning to worry

Hi all. Is anyone submitting a fine arts supplement, and if so, is the deadline the 20th or 10 days after applications close? I am confused by the two dates on the website.

Curious to see what peoples stats are. Mine are as follows.

Current College: University of Minnesota’s College of Science and Engineering
College GPA: 3.534
College major: Mathematics (applying to College of Arts and Science’s for mathematical biology)
High School GPA: 3.62
ACT: 31

Letter of Rec: Calc 2 professor, human physiology professor, boss from work

Explained I missed 3 months of school senior year before Covid-19. GPA dropped from that.

Pretty confident about my essays, midterm report is A,A,A,B.

Also applied to Northwestern and Vanderbilt.

Does any one here still have their college reports or transcripts marked as missing? I submitted mine a long time ago and according to their updated timeline they should have been processed…

my college report is still missing as well

mine is also missing, hopefully they’ll update soon but i uploaded an unofficial copy that my registrar sent to me just in case

Hi guys,

I am an international transfer student, and really want to transfer to UPenn’ s BA Criminology Program. I wonder what is my chance:

BG:
Current Year: Freshman, and applying to sophomore class
Current College : University College London (UCL) Top 10 QS world rank university
College GPA: unweighted US equivalent GPA 4.0, I asked my department to wrote this down
College Major: BSc Security and Crime Science (equal to a criminology degree), so I took various criminal investigations and criminology courses related to criminology, supporting my ambition of pursuing criminology at Penn
Penn Major: BA Criminology
High School GPA: weak part of my application because I transferred to different schools
SAT: Took it on High school - 1510 (but didn’t submit because it expired )
Career Planning - Big Law litigation & white-collar crime defense lawyer, Financial crime analyst, Legal analyst

Two strong recommendations - one strong recommendation from my crime science teacher( who graduated from oxford, and a member of UCL forensic centre), and he wrote down my excellent performance on the module with an ambition on combining forensic and legal knowledge to become a white collar defense lawyer

Activities:
President - UCL Crime Related Society
Selected Candidate - Corporate Law mentorship Program ( selected as one of 50 students, and attended training events, and insight days events hosted by both USA and UK elite law firms, including a leading Baker Mckenzie lawyer )
Selected Candidate - City Solicitor Horizons Program (one of 50 students selected, and attended training events, and application supports to law industry first year internships - first year schemes, and open day insight program)
Co- Founder - UK Law Society
2 virtual internships on forage - one with Linklaters, and one with Latham
2 law enforcement and criminal investigations internships
Stephenson Harwood LLP - open day insight program selected participant ( selected one of 25 students to participate, and advised the firm’s clients on a cross border transaction case)
Vinson Elkins LLP ( a top 100 US law firm) - open day insight program selected participant ( advise the firm’s clients on a energy project in central asia during a workshop)
Cleary Gottlieb LLP ( a top 15 US law firm) - Spring Insight Day(Scheme) Selected Participant
(didn’t wrote down because I only wrote down Vinson and Stephenson Harwood LLP)
Private English tutor - made a profit of 29000 dollars
UCL environmental criminology researcher
UCL Student Union - Selected Sustainability Ambassador

Connection with Penn -
wrote down one past year transfer student name on Penn contact
attended penn virtual criminology series - interaction with penn criminology faculties
attended penn virtual transfer session

Essays - tailored to attend Penn’ s BA Criminology program because amazed by its unique course structure ( Penn is the only ivy league offers criminology degree, and the criminology degree at penn combines knowledges from law, forensic, biological sciences because I want to study a criminology degree that combines disciplines from legal field), amazed by Penn’s liberal arts approach, and its undergraduate criminology society. I also tailored that I attended a penn virtual criminology series with Penn criminology department and amazed by their department excellent resources to combine law and crime because this series invite a law professor from HLS(Harvard Law School ) to discuss implication of criminal justice system

Are you applying for FA? Why is Penn’s program better than the one you’re currently enrolled in?

No, I didn’t, and I was impressed by Penn’s BA Criminology program because it combines knowledge from law, and forensic, which is something not offered by my school. My BSc Crime Science program at UCL tends to focus on using engineering concepts - r, python to create crime hotspots and reduce crime. I am also impressed by Penn’s liberal arts tradition because I want to equip myself with multi-skills competency during their education, where I can exposed to different subjects- and learn different languages to advise my future potential international clients at big law firm. I also want to take courses like criminology in practice where I can interact with senior police leaders and deliver a real impact, and also intrigued to study constitutional law. I am really interested in both the course content and liberal arts tradition at Penn. Also, pre-professional, so I want to take advantages of resources at Penn to improve my competencies during future job market and my ambition for reaching social justice.

Penn’s a tough admit for transfers but you seem like a competitive candidate! No FA request is also a positive (please make sure you understand the costs…much more expensive than the UK).

The only potential weakness could be your HS record (assuming it is as you say…you did get accepted to an excellent UK uni) because you only have one semester of college so your HS record is given more weight.

But you’ve articulated why you want to attend very well IMHO.

Good luck!

Thank you so much. I did take a gap year before entering to UCL, and use that gap year to work as a private tutor and made a profit of 29000 dollars. I did articulate my weakness of HS GPA because I was forced to transfer due to family issues, which impact my grades. If AO pays more attention to my senior grades and My senior year high school grades should be fine, which is an unweighted of 3.86. My mid-term report was all As, and I did extensive research on their criminology program to build connection between me and the school, including attending their virtual criminology series, and got in contacted with a former UCL cohort who transferred to Penn last term. I wonder whether the admission office pays more attention to candidates’ performance because my background in criminology and internships seems to be convincing, and I tailored a lot on my Why major, and Why Penn community essays

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Sorry, I mean majors that candidates choose because I think ‘criminology’ might not seems to be a popular majors among applications.

I had mine missing for a while but it was updated yesterday! I’d say if it still isn’t uploaded according to their timeline you should contact them

I guess they just have a lot of documents to process this year…

thank you for the info! ill probably call them about it

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One important things to note, it is extremely difficult to transfer as international students (even if you are American yourself). Your GPA and stats are definitely fine, but my worry is just that they prioritize Americans first.

Thank you for raising the question! My UCL cohort last year with the same degree transferred to Penn’s program, and I might assume Penn’s admission faculty review application based on different applicants pool - international pool and US pool. I attended various Penn’s transfer sessions and their virtual criminology series with Penn’s criminology department to connect my application. I heard a lot about the term ‘fit’ with the Penn community, so I researched fitting the Penn community, particularly their criminology department community. One thing that stresses me is whether the admission office evaluates applicants from the same intended major or competes applicants against the entire application pool. Therefore, will I be competing against applicants who apply to their BA criminology transfer program.

I’m like 99% sure on this (if I’m wrong I’ll withdraw my applicants immediately lol), they at most review based on all applicants to the College of Arts and Science, almost every school I asked about does this (and I’m 99% sure this applied to UPenn). This is because CAS is an undergraduate college, and by construction students are free to change their Major until
the last year. Even though you are very interested in Criminology, but you will be evaluated aginist other CAS applicants (such as myself). I guess the really bad part of this is that we have very different academic interest and background, and there’s probably no way for the admission officers to directly compare us (but we have to be compared). This is a major inconvenience in some sense.

The funny thing is, most College of Engineering does admission by Major (Cornell is notable for that; every campus of University of California does the same thing). But I haven’t seen any College of Arts and Science do the same thing

If you don’t mind sharing, are you applying to other schools as Transfer? If you have to move to the US you should definitely apply for more schools

The only College of Arts and Science that does admission by Major will be UC Berkeley (College of Letter and Science) for transfer applicant and CS students (starting in 2022). I have seen absurdly high acceptance rate to certain Major at Berkeley (like 60-70% compared to 14% for Freshman admission), ironically the transfer applicant can easily declare a different major after getting in (so for Berkeley you can purposely apply for a unimpacted Major and do a different one)

The reason they do admission by the entire College of Arts and Science is because after you get in, you still need to explicitly declare your major. So it would be bad if Political Science accepted me but I instead studies Chemistry. I think this is the standard policy most University follow (with the exception of UC Berkeley and a few other UC Campus)