<p>I find myself in a real dilemma. I have been accepted for Economics and Management at Oxford and into Wharton at University of Pennsylvania. </p>
<p>What do you think is better? I have been confused for quite a while and would really appreciate your input because both universities are good and I have no idea what to do.</p>
<p>Neha, I would pick Oxford if you were just admitted to Wharton. If, however, you were admitted to M+T, then I would say it is a tough call. </p>
<p>M+T= Double Major in Engineering and Management.</p>
<p>Oxford= Single degree, with major emphasis on engineering and less emphasis on econ and management.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>where do you want to work post-graduation?</p>
<p>go to oxford, you have the rest of your life to make money.</p>
<p>wharton isn't going to give you that rich of an education, itll just teach you technical skills with excel, PP that you can learn 5 years down the road.</p>
<p>I'd go for Penn (Wharton) which, as an American school with an American curriculum, will give you a very broad "college experience" of lore.</p>
<p>If I had that same choice, I would do oxford.</p>
<p>If what you really really like is business, I'd pick Wharton. I don't think Oxford surpasses Wharton's undergrad curriculum.</p>
<p>Wharton has the largest, most published, most cited business school faculty in the world, folks. Especially for undergrads, there's really nothing that beats it--including Oxford.</p>
<p>And in terms of a rich or broad education, remember that Wharton encourages undergrads to take up to 43% of their courses in the College of Arts and Sciences. Plus, as you College dudes posting in this thread know, many of the College's departments are ranked in the top 10 nationally, and many others are ranked in the top 20. Based on what I've read, my guess is that the liberal arts at Penn would hold up pretty well in comparison to Oxford. And isn't the bachelor's program at Oxford only 3 years, compared to Penn's (and other American schools') 4 years? I.e., you get to take an additional year's worth of courses at Penn/Wharton.</p>
<p>don't kid me.</p>
<p>I love penn and the college. But Penn CAS is a far cry from the 500 year old Oxford system that is unreputedly world renowned, compared to our measily state school reputation. I would also imagine the student body would be more intellectual there. </p>
<p>once again, penn is near and dear to my heart, compared to all other universities, but lets not kid ourselves</p>
<p>Can you try to visit both schools?</p>
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<p>I love penn and the college. But Penn CAS is a far cry from the 500 year old Oxford system that is unreputedly world renowned, compared to our measily state school reputation. I would also imagine the student body would be more intellectual there. </p>
<p>once again, penn is near and dear to my heart, compared to all other universities, but lets not kid ourselves
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<p>I didn't say that Penn has the same reputation worldwide as Oxford, but just that many of Penn's liberal arts departments would hold up well when compared to Oxford's (on a substantive basis). Oxford's name, like Harvard's, is legendary (and it's closer to 1,000 years old, by the way--goes back at least to the late 11th century). But it might surprise you to know, for example, that Oxford's total endowment (university and all component colleges) is about the same as Penn's (about $7 billion US). Harvard's endowment is 5 times the size of Oxford's, Yale's more than 3 times the size, and Stanford's and Princeton's more than double. As I'm sure you know, resources count for quite a bit in higher education (especially in the sciences, but also in other liberal arts fields). From what I've read, despite its long and amazing history, Oxford no longer sits at the very top of academia worldwide and, while still eminent, is viewed by many to not be any better than--and perhaps in many fields not quite as good as--the top US universities (i.e., HYPS). I'm not necessarily putting Penn in that group but, as I said, Penn probably compares very well on a substantive basis (once you get beyond the "wow" factor of Oxford's name).</p>
<p>And for what it's worth, when Newsweek ranked the World's Top 100 Global Universities, this was the top 20 and the methodolgy used:</p>
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1. Harvard University
2. Stanford University
3. Yale University
4. California Institute of Technology
5. University of California at Berkeley
6. University of Cambridge
7. Massachusetts Institute Technology
8. Oxford University
9. University of California at San Francisco
10. Columbia University
11. University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
12. University of California at Los Angeles
13. University of Pennsylvania
14. Duke University
15. Princeton Universitty
16. Tokyo University
17. Imperial College London
18. University of Toronto
19. Cornell University
20. University of Chicago</p>
<p>Ranking Methodology:
"We evaluated schools on some of the measures used in well-known rankings published by Shanghai Jiaotong University and the Times of London Higher Education Survey. Fifty percent of the score came from equal parts of three measures used by Shanghai Jiatong: the number of highly-cited researchers in various academic fields, the number of articles published in Nature and Science, and the number of articles listed in the ISI Social Sciences and Arts & Humanities indices. Another 40 percent of the score came from equal parts of four measures used by the Times: the percentage of international faculty, the percentage of international students, citations per faculty member (using ISI data), and the ratio of faculty to students. The final 10 percent came from library holdings (number of volumes)."
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<p>Not necessarily authoritative, but it does kinda make my point. :)</p>
<p>Indeed. Oxford is a "wow" name and was rich with centuries of tradition hundreds of years before Penn was even founded. But are the faculty at Oxford really "smarter" than the ones at Penn? (they all have Harvard PhDs anyway)</p>
<p>because I have no idea how to conjure up those shaded copied text boxes,
I'll simply threaten to slice your throat with my car keys when I find out who you are :)</p>
<p>just kidding, I don't drive :)</p>
<p>question now is, front door or bedroom key?</p>
<p>Common guys, Oxford's Said Business School was established in 1996. Wharton is 115 years older. Yeah, probably Oxford has a better "brand," but Wharton is definitely unbeatable in undergrad business. Even Swiss b-schools are no match to Wharton. Besides, give me some really famous Oxford alumni names in business? Huh? And what about Wharton? That's the difference.</p>
<p>What do you want to do? Where do you want to live? What kind of college experience do you want?</p>
<p>
Just some basic HTML:</p>
<p>Put the word "quote" (without the quotation marks) in brackets "[]" in front of the text, and then put the same thing with a forward slash "/" in front of "quote"--again without the quotation marks--right after the text, and VOILA.</p>
<p>And if you want to tag someone with it (as I just did to you), put "
[quote=mengcheng9287]
" instead of just "
[quote]
" in the front.</p>
<p>See? You didn't even have to go to Oxford to learn this. Now, don't say I never did anything for you. :)</p>
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<p>45, you are one of my favorite posters on this board. Keep up the good work my man (or woman LOL)</p>
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Even Swiss b-schools are no match to Wharton.
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swiss b-schools are not even a match to the University of Kampala.</p>
<p>chances are, you get a great education at both, penn and oxford. think about things like social life, environment and peers when making your decision.</p>
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Likewise! (and it's man)</p>
<p>And keep up the good work on AA (under your new name). :)</p>