<p>^^^</p>
<p>I’m sure many well-qualified Texas kids don’t even get into UT because of their Top % rule, so those who attend TOP publics or privates there are often screwed.</p>
<p>And, certainly, a good number of top students don’t get into UT’s honors program, which I think is called Plan II.</p>
<p>I’ve seen a few of you comment about my mom wanting some of my fin aid and how she can’t take any of it. I’m glad to hear this from you, but I still feel uneasy about it. </p>
<p>As for getting turned down at good state schools, I never heard of that before. I was admitted into my state within 2 weeks, and the honors college is in my sights.</p>
<p>I think there is a way of auto in for our honors college, but they have more preference toward good trending transitioning freshman into sophomores. There’s a particular business honor society that directly binds with the honors college – that is – if you get into that you should have no problem getting into the honors college.</p>
<p>I personally like the idea of starting out with no honors college and working your way to it. It allows people(maybe even well-qualified students beforehand) to show what they can do for their first year.</p>
<p>I see nothing wrong with starting out as a regular student then applying myself after my 1st year to the honors college. </p>
<p>Also, I may be assuming you are just talking about admittance in general, or is it students attending all four(or more) years being rejected from the honors college?</p>
<p>I call BS on Binghamton if they claim they are turning down Vanderbilt admits. The mid-50% SATs for the schools don’t even overlap! The only way that’s true is if it’s the Tufts effect and they are turning down high stats kids they know won’t enroll.</p>
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I am telling you that I personally know the students whose schools I referenced earlier (including my own) who were either denied or waitlisted at Binghamton because they are in-state. Very qualified students. Personal knowledge, personal experience. What I said was that Binghamton is telling families that they have tweaked their timeline/process for in-state versus out-of-state students and now grant very heavy preference to the bucks. Now it is possible that waitlisted students who would have chosen to stay on the waitlist would have ultimately been admitted, but I wouldn’t know that because it didn’t happen.</p>
<p>We went on a tour of Binghamton in March and they did not tell us that they turn down kids who were accepted to schools such as Vanderbilt. Maybe these kids applied late? I suppose they can wait list you if they think you are using them as a safety, but if you visit and show interest this should not be an issue. Kids from our high school who have been accepted to much more competitive schools for this fall have also gotten into Binghamton. Many kids from our hs who had 3.9 GPAs in regular classes- no honors or AP- also got into Bing. These kids had ACT scores of 28-29. </p>
<p>What the info session guy DID tell us is that many kids who apply to schools such as Vanderbilt will also apply to Binghamton.</p>
<p>@ Sandi3 “Also, I may be assuming you are just talking about admittance in general, or is it students attending all four(or more) years being rejected from the honors college?”</p>
<p>UF has become very competitive for instate students in recent years. So much so that even being in the top 10 of your class does not mean you will be admitted! After students are admitted they must apply (separate application) for the honors college which is even more selective and meeting their posted criteria does not guarantee selection.</p>
<p>Another issue about Binghamton and SUNY- where you live in the state makes a difference. Living on Long Island makes acceptance more difficult than living in Orange or Rockland. There are simply more kids applying, and they do not want to fill up their entire class with kids from LI ( no offense, as I am from LI).</p>
<p>BobWallace, I personally know folks turned down by state schools and accepted to highly selective ones. Usually, it’s because of a timing issue or for limited enrollment programs that can be highly selective. I’ve known some kids turned down by engineering or business programs at state schools that accept on a rolling basis and they just didn’t get their apps in before the class is full, whereas at most selective colleges, other than the specific early programs, the date of your app does not have such heavy weight. </p>
<p>Some CUNY programs are just about impossible to gain admittance without coming from a linked program because the demand is just that high. </p>
<p>I know a number of kids who did not get into UGA or GT, but were accepted to some great LACs and other private colleges. With HOPE, the stats have a lot of clout and few exceptions to the rules are made, with holistic admission just not happening.</p>
<p>Many people apply ED to a competitive school such as Cornell or Columbia and they don’t get in. Then they send in the rest of the college apps- they don’t want to waste the money ahead of time just in case they are accepted ( I know several people who did this). Perhaps a rejection from Binghamton is based more on timing than on anything else. </p>
<p>Binghamton knows that there are many high stat kids in NY who can’t afford to go to schools such as Columbia or Duke. They told us this at the info session.</p>
<p>It sounds like they are Tufts-ing and turning down kids they think are using them as a safety. Otherwise it makes no sense that such overqualified applicants would be turned down, especially considering the low yield of only 23% at Binghamton.</p>
<p>^ that has not been an issue at my daughter’s high school. Binghamton routinely takes high stat kids from our school. I suppose if you apply late it could be an issue, but the kids I know from our HS who have 4.4 GPA’s and 2200+ or 33+ were all accepted to Binghamton. This may be different on LI where there are many many more kids applying ( I moved). The school of management only takes 200 kids, so that program is going to be super competitive. If a student is rejected from the business school I don’t know if they are denied from the whole school, or if they are accepted to a different major.</p>
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<p>It’s true that state schools admissions are dominated by stats, whereas private schools can be much more holistic or holistic in some cases. So it’s possible that a student with stats far below the norm for Vanderbilt might get admitted based on a hook or talent, and yet be rejected by more selective state schools. </p>
<p>I could see this happening with Georgia Tech and Vanderbilt, for instance, considering the mid-50 math for GT is only a little lower than Vandy (660-760 vs. 710-790), but it seems like it would take a truly extraordinary outlier for this to happen with Vandy and Binghamton since the mid-50 stats are so divergent (Math 630-710 vs. 710-790, CR 590-675 vs. 690-770). Even the very bottom of the Vandy admit pool is within the norm for Binghamton.</p>
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<p>I see the problem in that. But I guess its just how colleges work. Works like a lottery at times, other times, works like a machine stamping out “yes” or “no” on apps.</p>
<p>In my opinion, students find their own way into what they want. Due to my stats, I was sure thing that honor college would not accept me. So now I have to work hard my first year to hopefully be in their reputable honor society of business majors.</p>
<p>Even if I am somehow rejected from the actual honors college then, being in that honor society gets me plenty benefits. Special 30 cap kid classes, trips to local businesses, and it opens doors for connections in internships. </p>
<p>I say college students can turn over every rock for an alternative for honors college, regardless of how stingy a college can be with spots. Campuses are filled with places that can enrich education.</p>
<p>Then again I’m in the Midwest and only hear about coastline or ivy schools from cousins. Do they(SUNY or Binghamton) have any other societies/colleges/clubs(?) that can give similar benefits?</p>
<p>“I call BS on Binghamton if they claim they are turning down Vanderbilt admits.”</p>
<p>My sister’s step son (from Westchester County) was turned down by Binghamton (34 ACT, high GPA) and admitted to Vandy. Both his parents were Bing alum, too. He just graduated Vandy in May. </p>
<p>It was the year the economy tanked and a lot of New Yorkers who never would have considered sending kids to state school rethought that. </p>
<p>My kid, OTOH, was accepted with a 30 ACT but chose not to attend. We live near Albany and it is easier to get into Bing if you live upstate.</p>
<p>Timing is an issue, BobWallace with the state schools. Some state schools wouldn’t accept Steve Jobs and Bill Gates for their computer science programs and Einstein for physics when the class is full for those majors My friend’s son had the ingnominy to get rejected from a state school that accepts 88% of all applicants. But not to the aerospace program he wanted that only takes so many kids and is highly selective. The same with my son at a SUNY. He applied to the MT program that accepts only 10 kids each year. So the program and when the kid applies makes a big difference. Also some of these state schools really just run the stats through the computer at certain dates and holistic factors don’t make a bit of difference.</p>
<p>For the most part, however, you are right. Most kids I know who applied to Bing and Vandy, and were rejected from one, got the rejection from Vandy. I personally don’t know of any kids got into Bing and not Vandy. But I know one this past year who did not get into Binghamton but was accepted to BU.</p>
<p>I also know a student accepted to Vanderbilt but not Binghamton. The student ultimately went elsewhere.</p>
<p>Excellent point about geography. Long Island and NYC kids have a very hard time at Binghamton. Also, they handle in state applications much later than out of state, so there are fewer spots left by that time. I can’t imagine that applicants who weren’t accepted would tell Binghamton where they ended up.</p>
<p>Perhaps they are just rolling dice down at Binghamton admissions if they are rejecting kids with 34 ACT and high GPA while 25% of the admits are 26 or lower ACT.</p>
<p>Money. They want the full pay kids with lower stats who will be grateful for admission and not look for merit money because they don’t have better options.</p>
<p>“Also, they handle in state applications much later than out of state, so there are fewer spots left by that time.”</p>
<p>I find that hard to believe. </p>
<p>There are also many more in state students at Bing than out of staters. It’s not even close.</p>
<p>Don’t apologize for feeling the way you do. We too always went out of our way to live frugally, small house, old cars, cheap clothes, to have a large and responsible bank account. Now we’ve seen our kids’ friends getting aid while living in mcmansions, fancy vacations, luxury cars, major debt, things we would have liked to have had but thought were irresponsible. the system is unfair…it’s not you or your imagination</p>