URM + 2400 SAT (36 ACT) = Automatic Acceptance?

<p>I’d say it’s an auto in. Unless their essays and other stuff are absolutely horrible, but you won’t expect that from a 2400 4.0 athlete. </p>

<p>and This is just my opinion, but there’s a BIG difference between a 2400 and a 2370. A perfect score is VERY hard to get. the difference is bigger than… a 2200 and a 2350. Sure a person who got a 2370 probably just made a silly mistake, but being able not to make those mistakes is a very valuable trait. My mom always answered the hardest questions in class when she was in school, and knew more than everyone else by far. However she was never
1st because she always make silly mistakes on the easy questions.</p>

<p>The problem with english is that everyone has a different idea of the meaning of “guaranteed”, “Sure bet”, “automatic”, “lock”, etc.</p>

<p>I’m starting to conclude that admissions is a two stage process:</p>

<p>1) Is the applicant academically qualified and prepared to do well here?
2) What makes this applicant special? What makes this applicant an interesting addition to the campus? Is the applicant a leader? Do I LIKE this applicant?</p>

<p>A URM with 2400 and 4.0 gpa clears the first hurdle with much room to spare. I’m not sure a huge clearance is any better than a close clearance (for the sake of argument let’s call that 2100 and 3.8 UW) … you get down the track either way.</p>

<p>So, the adcom realizes the applicant will likely prosper and add academically to the school. Congratulations, get in line with the other 12,000 applicants to Harvard that clear the first hurdle. How is Harvard then to reduce the 12,000 to 2,200? </p>

<p>Let’s suppose the URM in question is Hispanic from an underachieving public high school. Maybe there are 1,500 such Hispanic applicants out of H’s 26,000 or so, H decides about 1000 are academically qualified, and historically sees about 250 admitted. You see the problem here? Will Harvard use levels of clearance above “really smart” to decide between those 1000, or non-academic factors? I say non-academic.</p>

<p>lets go even further…</p>

<p>The hispanic person is from Cuba, which will not get as big of a bump as an hispanic applicant who is of puerto rican or mexican decent (these students are more underrepresented). Your URM status will not help you if the school’s mission is to increase the number of Puerto Rican students to the school.</p>

<p>the African American person is a first generation immigrant from Africa or the Carribean (who are the majority of AAs at Elite schools) and will not get as big of a bump as an african american with multi-generational roots in the U.S. (these students are more underrepresented). Your URM status will not help you if they are looking to increase the number of AA students with multi-generational roots in the U.S. (and they are looking to increase this group).</p>

<p>The perfect scorer has nothing else outside of his perfect score and grades.</p>

<p>A student scoring lower is working 20-30 hours a week to help take care of his family and still participates in ECs.</p>

<p>GC or teacher writes that the student who is the perfect scorer does not like to work collaboratively with others or is a grade grubber (or in a more kinder sense is not looking for what can be learned but how well s/he is doing in class).</p>

<p>There are many variables that can and will be taken into consideration as the adcoms are trying to craft a ** well rounded class that aligns with their institutional mission **.</p>

<p>From page 202 of the Overachievers by Alexandra Robbins </p>

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<p>When it comes to elite college admissions, there is no such thing as a shoo-in or a sure bet.</p>

<p>I would also recommend searching the parents forum for the thread</p>

<p>**“Whoever has the most APs wins” **</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/97255-whoever-has-most-aps-wins-4.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/97255-whoever-has-most-aps-wins-4.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Good discussion of how AP classes figure into the “college admissions arms race.” Post #49, by Ben Jones of the MIT Admissions Office, is particularly worthy of note; it is full of wisdom as well as information. </p>

<p>Especially take note of post 49 by Ben Jones- Admissions REP @ MIT (and CC poster)</p>

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<p>Well done sybbie!!!</p>

<p>Is it an automatic acceptance? No. Besides, for a school like Yale, nothing’s guaranteed unless you pay for an international airport.</p>

<p>I wager that the vast majority of USNWR’s Top 50 universities have at least four percent Asian student bodies. Really, the only prestigious institutions I can think of that don’t have at least that figure are the service academies. Even small liberal arts colleges now often have proportional or even overrepresented Asian student bodies.</p>

<p>I thus agree with previous posts stating that Asians are pretty much never underrepresented. Considering how UCLA has been treating its Vietnamese applicants, who on average are actually poorer than their black peers, I doubt that adcoms care a whole lot about distinguishing the mass that is Asia into finer pieces.</p>

<p>“I wager that the vast majority of USNWR’s Top 50 universities have at least four percent Asian student bodies”</p>

<p>How about “prestigious” liberal arts colleges ( I guess we’re not talking about the non prestigious ones )? In the south and midwest too? Wow! I wonder how long that’s been true …</p>

<p>However I highly doubt that grades/scores are worth that less. Why do all chance threads have scores/grades while only some has ECs? I think that CC is giving way too less credit to grades. I mean, a school is there to teach, not find a circus group or a band… </p>

<p>Besides if marks was only a bar set in the beginning, it really wouldn’t be fair. It’d be a contest on who can write better. Besides, if that was true, why would there be more 2400s accepted?</p>

<p>I think adcoms at Top 10 schools are pretty good at figuring out who has superlative stats without any thought of qualifying for a Top 10 college, and those whose stats are primarily motivated by Top 10 college acceptance.</p>

<p>There are fakes and phonies, and there are the real deal.</p>

<p>A true URM (not another asian boy) with both a 2400 and a 36. Dont bother being PC. This is a sure thing at HYPSM. Putting the URM thing aside, there are only a relative handful of people who achieve perfect scores on both tests every year.</p>

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<p>The top three LACs as ranked by USNWR all have double-digit Asian student bodies. Swarthmore’s is actually almost twenty percent. If I recall correctly, the only top 10 LAC that didn’t have a noticeably “overrepresented” Asian student body was Davidson (five percent).</p>

<p>To reiterate, the only prestigious institutes where Asians are actually “underrepresented” are the service academies.</p>

<p>Could someone please tell me what a URM is? What does it stand for?</p>

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<p>The term “URM” is used here on College Confidential for “under-represented minority,” which refers to a college applicant whose ethnicity is considered a favorable factor in college admission decisions. </p>

<p>Thread here closed. See the new FAQ and discussion thread </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/742349-race-college-admissions-faq-discussion-4-a.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/742349-race-college-admissions-faq-discussion-4-a.html&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>for more information.</p>