<p>are people of middle eastern descent considered URM - and by middle eastern im not including india or pakistan</p>
<p>no they are not</p>
<p>thank you very much, and i value your opinion, but it is kinda in my nature to argue - why are they not considered URM. im pretty sure when you go to a college campus you will see more African Americans and Hispanics than middle eastern students.</p>
<p>The term "under represented" compares the percentage of students of a particular race at the college to the percentage of the race in the country. Using that definition, on most campuses middle eastern students would not be considered URMs. Besides, middle eastern people were not subject to many of the social and economic injustices that affirmative action tries to account for. Whether it does that or not it a different discussion. There is no use in trying to argue it though. It is what it is and for the time being we have to deal with it.</p>
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Besides, middle eastern people were not subject to many of the social and economic injustices that affirmative action tries to account for. Whether it does that or not it a different discussion.
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Well, us Chinese folks aren't URM either now, are we? -_-;</p>
<p>Chinese are ORM!</p>
<p>They are NOT URMs.</p>
<p>...that was my point...</p>
<p>India might not be, yeah, but I don't see why say Iran, Syria, Jordan, etc., wouldn't be URM. You seem to see very few of them on most campi (Latin FTW).</p>
<p>Middle Easterns are pretty prevalent, IMO as say in comparison to African Americans.</p>
<p>I've always been told also that Middle Easterns are considered Whites on the application.</p>
<p>rarr - welcome to the world of political correctness and constant shibboleth to diversity as practiced in our nation's universities (those bound by law to act otherwise excepted). And you can complain all you want, but it will be to no avail. The policies are driven by white guilt, and that emotion particularly in the university echo chamber and groupthink mentality is a strong one. Not a pro or con about affirmative action - merely a description of the environment in which you desire to operate.</p>
<p>pretty much the only URMs are african american and hispanic students; my roommate and good friend is Indian and this really frustrates her.</p>
<p>And yes, Middle Easterns are considered "white on their application" and many Indian students decide to write in their race, but many middle eastern students decide to do this as well. </p>
<p>A girl and I got into an argument over wether someone from Spain or Portugal is considered white or hispanic. I said they are considered white because they are European. Just because you speak spanish or portugese, it doesnt mean you are hispanic.</p>
<p>oh and one more comment, technically white is "caucasian," if we want to continue with the pc-ness. So that is why Idians, Europeans, and Middle Eastern students are considered "white" because they are part of Asia minor (Sort of)</p>
<p>for an ORM student, should we just not put our ethnicity on common app. I'm east asian and all the schools I'm applying to have about 10%-20% asians.</p>