<p>USC will never surpass Cal or UCLA...</p>
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<p>The number of apps, average SAT score of enrolled students, and alumni giving for Duke all increased in the 1 year following the Lax scandal - meaning if anything, Duke should go up in the rankings. Not go down. Penn's average SAT went slighty lower, so they might end up being tied.
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<p>Hey, hey now. Let's not get the facts twisted.</p>
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Duke University's applications decreased 4.6 percent for the fall freshman class.
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Applications for early admission to Duke University dropped by nearly 20 percent this year in the aftermath of the lacrosse scandal.</p>
<p>This year, 1,198 students applied early to Duke, committing to enroll if they received an offer of admission. That is a decline from 1,496 early decision applicants last year.</p>
<p>The university sent offers this week to 469 high school seniors from around the world for a spot in the Class of 2011.</p>
<p>A Duke official said the slide is probably partly attributable to months of negative news about the case in which three Duke lacrosse players were accused of raping a dancer from an escort service at a team party in March. The players have denied the charges.</p>
<p>"It would have surprised us if all of the media coverage hadn't had some effect," said Christoph Guttentag, dean of undergraduate admissions.
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<p>Way to make stuff up.</p>
<p>I hope WashU rises...</p>
<p>haha I love the rivalries in Florida :)
I feel that:
UCF: will rise to 3rd tier
USF: will stay aat 3rd tier
FSU: will decline to the 3rd tier or stay where it is (its current 110 is just a few spots above the 3rd tier.)
UF: will rise to the 45
UM: will rise to the 50</p>
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I'm still looking for evidence of this (Penn's average SAT scores going DOWN in '06). Not saying that it isn't true, just haven't seen any evidence to support it.</p>
<p>Sorry acarta, my school's taking #50 :D</p>
<p>Avant Garde - "way to make stuff up" - I was talking about the Class of 2010. The Class of 2010 stats are the ones that are relevant for this upcoming US News ranking. Even for the Class of 2011 - which is for next years ranking (august 08) the average scores have risen (as well as yield, though number of apps decreased, which isn't factored in US News either way). </p>
<p>Also, Collegeboard had Penn as 1340 - 1520 in 2005-2006, now its 1330-1510 (which I'm assuming is from the same data set US News uses).</p>
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Penn's web site has the Class of 2010 at 1320-1530:</p>
<p>Of course, that's for accepted students.</p>
<p>"I expect to see a continued increase in ranking for USC. Based on stats, USC should pass UCLA and UC Berkeley in the near future."</p>
<p>I second the individual stating stay away from the drugs. USC passing Berkeley? Come on. It wont pass UCLA talk about UC Berkeley.</p>
<p>My Duke will rise!!! :)</p>
<p>45 Percenter = yeah, most schools have higher accepted scores than enrolled scores - Collegeboard is enrolled, not accepted.</p>
<p>I'm not sure if these scores are for Pen's Class of 2011 or 2010 though. Might be 2011 and in that case not matter for the rankings coming out this august.</p>
<p>USC's academics have been continuously on the rise and it is becoming more and more selective. Its undergrad program has a good chance of surpassing UCLA's and maybe Berkeley's in the near future.</p>
<p>im not debating the fact that USC is on the rise, but stating that it will pass UC Berkeley in the near future is not only ridiculous its unfounded.</p>
<p>such certainty that USC will surpass Berkeley in the near future seems somewhat foolish, but so is such confidence that it will not</p>
<p>"such certainty that USC will surpass Berkeley in the near future seems somewhat foolish, but so is such confidence that it will not"</p>
<p>haha, i like my odds.</p>
<p>your odds being...?</p>
<p>what proudtrojan probably means to say is that if the current statistical rate of change for cal's, ucla's, and usc's rankings are held constant, usc will pass ucla and cal soon (most likely in the vicinity of the next 5 years or so) because usc has been steadily increasing over the past several years while almost all of the uc's, including cal and ucla, have been on the decline.
even though the future is largely unpredictable, i dont think it's impossible for usc to pass berkeley and ucla one day. one must remember that cal and ucla are public schools almost completly funded by the state. currently in 2007 UC's state-funded operating budget declined 15% while enrollment increased 19%. <-- not so hot for the uc's.
once again, im not going to jump to any conclusions on which schools will lead the rankings in the future. anything is possible.</p>
<p>"your odds being...?"</p>
<p>"what proudtrojan probably means to say is that if the current statistical rate of change for cal's, ucla's, and usc's rankings are held constant, usc will pass ucla and cal soon (most likely in the vicinity of the next 5 years or so)."</p>
<p>Being the odds that UC Berkeley will remain ranked ahead of USC in the near future. I agree it is not impossible for USC to surpass UC Berkeley in the near future, just highly highly unlikely. If you evaluate how much USC has improved over the past 10-15 years, from a school that had SAT averages in the 1070 (old SAT) range, to a school with an average of well over 2000 (new SAT), you would realize if it continued to improve at the same rate over the next ten years, it would likely surpass Harvard statistically. so stating that if it continues to improve statistically at the same rate in the near future as it has is the recent past that it will surpass UC Berkeley is ridiculous as it is not possible for it to improve near as much as it has, as statistically there is not enough room for it to increase its stats that dramatically. Also its peer evaluation score is no where near UC Berkeley's. And that does not change over night. a 3.9 for USC is way way below a 4.7 for UC Berkeley, as peer evaluation plays a very important roll in US News' formula for ranking colleges. So yes, the odds of USC surpassing UC Berkeley in the near future is very very unlikely.</p>
<p>i wouldnt put my money on it. 6 rankings of a difference isn't the world's difference. (berkeley at 21 and usc at 27). last year alone usc jumped almost 6 rankings (from 32 to 27).</p>
<p>"last year alone usc jumped almost 6 rankings (from 32 to 27)."</p>
<p>haha or you could just say it jumped 5 spots, not almost 6.</p>
<p>"i wouldnt put my money on it."</p>
<p>im guessing my odds are significantly better than 50%, so yes i would deffiantly put money on it. statistically its deffiantly in my favor. again, you say if it continues to increase statistically at the same pace its not unrealistic, and i already showed you that it is impossible for usc to increase statistically at the same pace over the next 10 years as it has in the past 10-15 years. statistically there is simply not enough room.</p>