US News 2009 Rankings Speculation Thread

<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>U Pen</li>
<li>Cal Tech</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>U Chicago</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>WUSTL</li>
<li>JHU</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>UC Berkeley</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
</ol>

<p>Read "Playing with Numbers" by Nicholas Thompson.</p>

<p>"Playing</a> With Numbers" by Nicholas Thompson</p>

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1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Yale
5. MIT
6. U Pen
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Brown
12. Dartmouth
13. WUSTL
14. JHU
15. Cornell
16. Rice
17. Emory
18. UC Berkeley
19. Vanderbilt
20. Carnegie Mellon

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<p>Just curious, did you have any rationale behind this speculation, or did you just throw together a list based on personal preference?</p>

<p>Yes and no.</p>

<p>What I wonder is what happens to number 1. I think some of the lower ranks (7-15) will get shuffled around, but I think there is a chance P won't be #1, or at least won't be alone in that spot.</p>

<p>Does anyone think georgetown will get a better ranking this year?
top 20 maybe?
I still don't see why it isn't a top 20 school...and tufts seriously needs to be at least top 25...its kinda insane</p>

<p>All I hope is JHU stays in the top 15. :-(</p>

<p>I mean, Thats all I'm worried about.</p>

<p>How exactly is Princeton overrated? And how exactly is Berkeley underrated?</p>

<p>princeton is not overrated.
but berkeley is underrated. either berkeley or uva should at least break top twenty.</p>

<p>I'm thinking WashU, Vandy, and Emory move down, while Georgetown, Berkeley, and Rice move up.</p>

<p>But I'm just throwing something out there, I have no idea how this stuff works, really. I'd like to see Stanford break top 3 as long as Yale stays there too. :p</p>

<p>when do they even come out?!</p>

<p>^^ late August, typically.</p>

<p>This whole thread is stupid.
Here are my predictions:
1. P H
3. Y
4. S M
6. Caltech Penn
8. Duke Columbia Chicago Dartmouth</p>

<p>berkeley has never made it past 21 I believe...I wonder why</p>

<p>i hope Princeton will still be #1 - then we'll continue attracting more and more fellow internationals! why's everyone saying Princeton's gonna drop inb rankings?</p>

<p>USNWR' rankings will be out in mid-August, right?</p>

<p>Why pay any attention to the U.S. News rankings? The ratings from the US News & World Report are misleading and lead to a ‘marketing’ of colleges rather than illuminating true quality and educational value. </p>

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Critics have charged that U.S. News intentionally changes its methodology every year so that the rankings change and they can sell more magazines.

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<p>The National Opinion Research Center, one of the largest and most highly respected social research organizations in the US, found that the statistical weights used by U.S. News to rank colleges/universities “lack any defensible empirical or theoretical basis.” </p>

<p>See the Boston Globe article, Dismissing school rankings at: Dismissing</a> school rankings - The Boston Globe

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It's common knowledge how the statistics can be "gamed." Colleges can solicit applications from students with little chance of acceptance to boost how selective they appear. Schools can adjust when they allow faculty to take leave in order to raise the faculty/student ratio.

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<p>And see article ** Criticism of college and university rankings** at: Criticism</a> of college and university rankings (2007 United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>

<p>^^ I agree. I wish US News would just give it up.</p>

<p>If we MUST have rankings, it would make so much more sense if they ranked in small tiers (e.g. tier 1: HYPSM) rather than suggesting that school #4 > school #5.</p>

<p>Rankings are important because educations is an expensive commodity. Would you throw 200K at just any car only to know that ppl would say: "oh, thats just a civic" or "wow, damn, thats a benz."</p>

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I prefer "wow, damn, thats a beamer."</p>

<p>I would push Cornell to around #9~10.</p>