<p>UCSB is awesome for the social aspects and scenery</p>
<p>Please check on the definition of a flagship university of the Big Ten. The unparallel academic quality, resources offered in terms of # of faculties, disciplines, research expenditures and opportunities, etc… before you bring up the ‘few’ top ranked fields of UCD, UCI & UCSB. Chart a comparison with Wisconsin, Illinois and Ohio State (or Penn State) and we will talk more.</p>
<p>I’m glad that UCSB moved up. That’s an awesome school. I would like to see it above UCSD in the future.</p>
<p>Also, with UW-Madison falling below UCSB, I think UCSB may be the highest ranked party school from Princeton Review’s recent party school rankings :)</p>
<p>I don’t deny UCD, UCSB, UCI as great schools, being the alternatives to UCB, UCLA & UCSD academically speaking. Nonetheless, it would be impossible for me to measure them up against the top public flagships of Big Ten in so many ways…</p>
<p>“You’re digging yourself a larger hole, sparkeye…”</p>
<p>Ok, let me give a try to see if I can climb out of this hole that I created…</p>
<p>“THere are plenty of students who have chosen UCSB, UCI, and UC Davis as their first choices.” </p>
<p>Good for them!!! UCB is not far from Sacramento, I would take Berkeley anyday over UCD. UCLA over UCSB and UCI as well… I believe most Californian would agree with me given the choice.</p>
<p>“Let me remind you that UCD has probably the best vet school in the nation.” </p>
<p>Top-10 Vet Schools</p>
<p>1.Cornell
2.Colorado State University
3.University of California/Davis
4.University of Pennsylvania
5.North Carolina State University
6.Ohio State University
7.Texas A&M
8.University of Wisconsin
9.Michigan State University
10.University of Minnesota</p>
<p>—> I see FOUR Big Ten schools in the Top-10 and NONE ranked as high as UCD, UCI or UCSB on the Best Colleges. Is #6 Ohio State Vet program much worst than #3 UCD you think?</p>
<p>“UCSB has a great oceanography program with a great field study just down the bluffs and in the lagoon.”</p>
<p>Is there even a ranking for this?</p>
<p>“UCI has a great med center with a lot of students desiring to go there…” </p>
<p>UCI medical center is great, but… compared to the capacity of the Big Ten Medical Centers…sigh…</p>
<p>Glad to see my school, Temple, finally join the Tier 1 ‘club’. Granted, we’re much better than our ranking of 132, but it’s nice to know that silly US News doesn’t consider us Tier 3. Go Owls!</p>
<p>Does this mean that it won’t be HYPSM now?
Is it going to be HYPCS? o_o </p>
<p>I kinda wish NYU went lower than 33. :[</p>
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<p>nice try. back to HYP or more like HPY now</p>
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Being familiar with these schools, I’d have to say that Ohio State and Penn State are crap and Wisconsin and Illinois have slightly stronger student bodies than the mid-tier UCs. I would link you to the freshman profiles but all the universities have such lousy websites. =/</p>
<p>“I’d have to say that Ohio State and Penn State are crap” </p>
<p>^^ Since you know these schools well, I will let you do the rest…</p>
<p>I attended tOSU, here is the stat direct from the admission’s office:</p>
<p>[url=<a href=“http://undergrad.osu.edu/domesticfreshman.html]Admissions[/url”>http://undergrad.osu.edu/domesticfreshman.html]Admissions[/url</a>]</p>
<p>I want to see how crappy are the tOSU & PSU students are ??</p>
<p>I need to hit the sack (central time), so, I will reply to your comparison once I am up, ok?</p>
<p>G’nite!~ :)</p>
<p>PS. hint, both tOSU & PSU have similar student bodies in terms of incoming fresman stats to Wisconsin & Illinois - schools that you alluded to 'have slightly stronger student bodies than the mid-tier UCs.</p>
<p>It’s still HYPSM. Followed by UPenn, Dartmouth, Columbia, Caltech, Duke, UChicago, Northwestern, Brown, and Cornell.</p>
<p>Yes it’s time to change it to HYPCS.</p>
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<p>I agree. At the very least the purposes of these schools are vastly different. The former UC schools are regional schools, while the latter schools are major research centers. These changes should be made next year as the California economic situation will be illustrated in the rankings. But the rankings of those UC schools are the biggest problems I have with the rankings overall.</p>
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You can make that argument about a lot of other schools regarding an individual program. Furthermore, lots of other people have first choice schools that are not Harvard or Princeton. This makes no difference.</p>
<p>Point is, it just makes little sense that schools like Florida, Texas, and Tulane are ranked quite a bit worse than schools that are regional UC schools.</p>
<p>I know that some of you may question me the fact that tOSU has only recently gotten even better academically, ever more selective in the last 2 years or so since I joined CC. Therefore, for fairness, I choose to use the stats from the 2007 incoming frehsman ('06 data) for comparison purpose. Big Ten schools are known to emphysize more on the ACT scores; however, for all fairness, I am also throwing in the SAT scores for standarized tests comparision.</p>
<p>UCI
Test Scores – 25th / 75th Percentile
•SAT Critical Reading: 510 / 610
•SAT Math: 550 / 670
•SAT Writing: 520 / 630 </p>
<p>•ACT Composite: 22 / 27
•ACT English: 21 / 27
•ACT Math: 23 / 29 </p>
<p>UCD
Test Scores – 25th / 75th Percentile
•SAT Critical Reading: 490 / 630
•SAT Math: 540 / 660
•SAT Writing: 500 / 630 </p>
<p>•ACT Composite: 21 / 27
•ACT English: 20 / 27
•ACT Math: 22 / 29</p>
<p>UCSB
Test Scores – 25th / 75th Percentile
•SAT Critical Reading: 530 / 640
•SAT Math: 540 / 660
•SAT Writing: 530 / 640</p>
<p>•ACT Composite: 21 / 27
•ACT English: 20 / 27
•ACT Math: 21 / 27 </p>
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<p>OHIO STATE
Test Scores – 25th / 75th Percentile
•SAT Critical Reading: 540 / 650
•SAT Math: 580 / 690
•SAT Writing: 540 / 640</p>
<p>•ACT Composite: 25 / 30
•ACT English: 25 / 31
•ACT Math: 25 / 30</p>
<p>PENN STATE
Test Scores – 25th / 75th Percentile
•SAT Critical Reading: 530 / 630
•SAT Math: 560 / 670
•SAT Writing: - / - </p>
<p>•ACT Composite: 24 / 28
•ACT English: 23 / 29
•ACT Math: 24 / 29 </p>
<p>ILLINOIS
Test Scores – 25th / 75th Percentile
•SAT Critical Reading: 540 / 660
•SAT Math: 660 / 770
•SAT Writing: - / - </p>
<p>•ACT Composite: 26 / 31
•ACT English: 26 / 32
•ACT Math: 27 / 34 </p>
<p>WISCONSIN
Test Scores – 25th / 75th Percentile
•SAT Critical Reading: 550 / 670
•SAT Math: 620 / 730
•SAT Writing: 570 / 670 </p>
<p>•ACT Composite: 26 / 30
•ACT English: 26 / 31
•ACT Math: 26 / 31 </p>
<p>Source (Same Source for All Schools Above):
[UC</a> Irvine Profile - SAT Scores and Admissions Data for UC Irvine](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/UC-Irvine.htm]UC”>UC Irvine: Acceptance Rate, SAT/ACT Scores, GPA)
[UC</a> Davis Profile - SAT Scores and Admissions Data for UC Davis](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/uc-davis.htm]UC”>UC Davis: Acceptance Rate, SAT/ACT Scores, GPA)
[UCSB</a> Profile - SAT Scores and Admissions Data for UCSB](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/UCSB.htm]UCSB”>UCSB: Acceptance Rate, SAT/ACT Scores, GPA)
[Ohio</a> State University Profile - SAT Scores and Admissions Data for Ohio State University](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/OSU.htm]Ohio”>Ohio State University: Acceptance Rate, SAT/ACT Scores)
[Penn</a> State University Profile - SAT Scores and Admissions Data for Penn State University](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/PennState.htm]Penn”>Penn State University: Acceptance Rate, SAT/ACT Scores, GPA)
[University</a> of Illinois Urbana-Champaign Profile - SAT Scores and Admissions Data for UIUC, the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/UIUC_Profile.htm]University”>UIUC: Acceptance Rate, SAT/ACT Scores, GPA)
[University</a> of Wisconsin Profile - ACT Scores and Admissions Data for the University of Wisconsin, Madison](<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/U_Wisconsin.htm]University”>University of Wisconsin-Madison: Acceptance Rate, SAT/ACT Scores, GPA)</p>
<p>The highschool counselor assesment which is 1/3 the academic reputation score.</p>
<p>link to rankings
[Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-counselor-rank]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-counselor-rank)</p>
<p>UCs
UCLA 4.3
UCI 4.1
UCD 4.2
UCSB 4.0</p>
<p>Big Ten
UW 4.0
OSU 3.9
UofIll. 3.9
PSU 4.0</p>
<p>Just to show how stupid this is, Indiana Universiy-Purdue University Indianapolis got a 4.0 and Indiana University got a 3.8. </p>
<p>Going to college this year and having to deal with highschool counselors, I can tell you that a student probably knows more than the average counser.</p>
<p>Does anyone know where I can find a list of the 2010 rankings so I can compare them to the 2011 ones? Or, is there a comparison list of both?</p>
<p>PA scores for Vandy, ND, Emory and Rice please?</p>
<p>High school counselor rankings are interesting. I thought they’d just be an “echo chamber” factor, mimicking last year’s overall US News ranking. But the HS counselors showed some independent thinking. Most of it dumb, mind you, but at least a little independence. At the very top, of course, it’s predictably HYPSM, tied at 4.9 out of 5. But then it gets odd.</p>
<p>Here are some schools that got a boost from inclusion of HS counselors in the ranking:</p>
<p>Brown, Cornell, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins: 4.8, same as Columbia and 0.1 behind HYPSM
Carnegie Mellon, UC Berkeley, Notre Dame: 4.6, same as Caltech and Penn
Tufts: 4.5, same as Chicago
IUPUI: 4.0, same as Wisconsin, Tulane, and Penn State
Auburn, UMass Amherst, Rutgers-Newark: 3.9, same as Case Western, Lehigh, U Rochester, and Illinois</p>
<p>Some schools that took it in the shorts from the HS counselors:</p>
<p>Caltech 4.6 (v. 4.9 for MIT?!)
Penn 4.6 (same as Notre Dame?!)
Chicago 4.5 (same as Tufts?!)
UVA 4.3 (5th-ranked public after Berkeley, Michigan, Georgia Tech, UNC Chapel Hill?!)
Wisconsin 4.0 (tied with IUPUI for 14th-best public in the minds of GCs?!)
Illinois 3.9 (on a par with Auburn, UMass Amherst, and Rutgers-Newark?!)</p>
<p>I see a lot of HS students griping about their clueless GCs on CC. This confirms they’re not making it up.</p>
<p>And this is “improvement” in the US News ranking?</p>
<p>Could someone please post the detailed ranking info for Bemidji State University?</p>
<p><a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/bemidji-mn/bemidji-state-2336[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/bemidji-mn/bemidji-state-2336</a></p>