<p>hehe does anyone wanna put up a ranking thingy for engineering undergraduate schools for me please? i just wanna take a look at it. :)</p>
<p>U.S News Undergrad Engineering. At engineering schools whose highest degree is a doctorate</p>
<ol>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>UC: Berkeley</li>
<li>Cal Tech/UIUC</li>
<li>Gtech</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>CMU/Purdue Univ</li>
<li>Cornell/UT Austin</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>JHU/Northwestern/Wisconsin</li>
</ol>
<p>BTW, those atlantic monthly rankings are complete garbage. WashU over Duke; UCLA over Williams? How is Cornell even that low.</p>
<p>For what it is worth: Don't forget, the Atlantic Monthly rankings are combined. The US News rankings are not.</p>
<p>The guide that I use is "The Fiske Guide To Colleges" by Edward Fiske. I think that the US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT rankings can be useful, but I think that some of the schools in the top 20 should not be ranked as highly as they are.</p>
<p>why don't we just listen to Wharf and not get into another rankings dispute... We've all established that they can be bogus...</p>
<p>Combined USNEWS Rankings for Engineering (I don't see why not):</p>
<ol>
<li> Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.9</li>
<li> Stanford University (CA) 4.8</li>
<li> University of CaliforniaBerkeley * 4.7</li>
<li> California Institute of Technology 4.6
....U. of IllinoisUrbana-Champaign * 4.6</li>
<li> Georgia Institute of Technology * 4.5</li>
<li> University of MichiganAnn Arbor * 4.4
....Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. (IN) 4.4
....Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.3
....Purdue Univ.West Lafayette (IN)* 4.3</li>
<li> Cornell University (NY) 4.2
....University of TexasAustin * 4.2
....Harvey Mudd College (CA) 4.2</li>
<li> Princeton University (NJ) 4.1
....Cooper Union (NY) 4.1</li>
<li> Johns Hopkins University (MD) 4.0
....Northwestern University (IL) 4.0
....Univ. of WisconsinMadison * 4.0</li>
<li> Pennsylvania State U.University Park * 3.9
....Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (NY) 3.9
....Texas A&M Univ.College Station * 3.9</li>
<li> United States Military Academy (NY)* 3.9
....United States Naval Academy (MD)* 3.9</li>
</ol>
<p>Because rankings don't actually mean anything, flavian. Would you really go to Purdue over Cornell for engineering, given other factors equal (i.e. cost)?</p>
<p>it's not bogus, it's just we don't really care all that much about manipulating it. i mean the best we did this year was change our website to be friendlier, went to common app? and so more people applied. in terms of making the classes smaller or whatnot, many of us don't mind at all being in a 700 intro class taught by a world renown professor. they could cap a lot of the classes to be tiny, but they don't because they'd rather let us take the classes we want than to climb in the ranking scale. </p>
<p>however, that doesn't mean there are classes that don't have cap (virtually all of them do) and it might be hard for freshmans and sophmores to get in, but thats because they are probably assigned a room with only so much space. </p>
<p>anyways, i just want to put a plug in for HD majors, we are getting 3 new professors next semester!! whoohoo, finally, some more classes! yay!</p>
<p>What's up with BioBM440? I need to take this class for my concentration and Courses of Study guide gives a website where I can sign up on the waitlist??? There's already a waitlist before people even start registering?</p>
<p>to get a real idea, just use the US NEWS "peer assessment score". if you sort it like that, it sorta fixes the problem (ie. MIT is above Penn, Cornell is above Wash U., etc.)</p>
<p>i like to think cornell is above wash u too, Wash U waitlisted me ,but cornell saved me .<br>
Cornell trumps all those not in 10 . , it should be in the top 10</p>
<p>rankings only show such a small picture of colleges....
i was accepted to rice and cornell and im going to rice. it just seemed to me to be a much better school. but that personal opinion is exactly why rankings cant be taken too seriously</p>
<p>i really like that criticism that the president of stanford sent to US News guy. i think i agree with everything he said.</p>
<ol>
<li> Princeton</li>
<li> Harvard</li>
<li> Stanford</li>
<li> Yale</li>
<li> MIT</li>
<li> Columbia</li>
<li> Dartmouth</li>
<li> Cal Tech</li>
<li> U Penn</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Washington University in St. Louis</li>
<li>John Hopkins</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Boston College</li>
<li>University of California - Berkeley</li>
<li>Emory</li>
</ol>
<p>I agree with you Quynh, Stanford's former President, Gerhard Casper (Yale educated Law scholar, dean of the University of Chicago Law school, president of Stanford University from 1992-2000 and currently Professor Emeritus of Law at Stanford) wrote a great article addressed to the Editor in Cheif of the USNWR in 1996, when he was still president of Stanford. I think he spoke for the majority of Academe when he expressed his displeasure with the ranking.</p>
<p>As far as Cornell goes, I cannot think of a better academic institution anywhere. Cornell has several equals, but no superiors. I cannot give you a code to the USNWR, but if you specify which rankings you want, I can post a couple.</p>
<p>In the meanwhile, I urge you all not to look at any ranking as an absolute. #4 is not better than #24 and #11 is not better than #21 etc...</p>
<p>I personally agree with SDMA. I think the Fiske guide is actually very accurate, although I do not agree with his Quality of Life ratings!</p>
<p>I also agree with Misterme. Not that Rice is better than Cornell, but that for him individually, Rice was a better fit.</p>
<p>The value one person puts on the rankings is directly proportional to his/her school's performance in it ;-)</p>
<p>I'm predicting Penn will go back to 5th (or maybe even 6th, gasp) in the next rankings and we Penn students will value US News that much less ;-)</p>
<p>Hey, that 4 spot was great while it lasted.</p>
<p>I'll say.</p>
<p>my "we're no. 4!" shirt might not look as good after this.</p>