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<p>I am a bit of the reverse. I am an American looking to study undergrad at either Oxford(big stretch, but worth an application), UCL, London School of Economics, Warwick or King's College.</p>

<p>I just completed my first year at NYU as a journalism and middle eastern studies double major (took all major classes thanks to AP exams) with a fairly decent GPA.. although i do not think they care about my grades there. I had to withdraw from NYU because of their legendary financial aid. So I am looking at the UK as a more affordable alternative for an anglophiliac like myself.</p>

<p>My stats are as follows:</p>

<p>ACT- 32 (30, 31, 33, 36, 30)
SAT - 2100 (760, 680, 660.. measely.. wondering about even sending it)
AP: Bio 5, US History 5, Lit 5, Art History 4, Spanish 4, Eng Lang 4</p>

<p>My rec is fantastic, and my personal statement I'm happy with, which is a good sign because I'm a perfectionst writer. Writing is basically my core academic strength.</p>

<p>Plus a lot of relevant internship/work experience.</p>

<p>I am applying to two english courses, a history course, and a european social/political studies course.</p>

<p>Anyone familiar with the system able to offer me a bit of an evaluation or chance of admission?</p>

<p>I am also looking at American schools.</p>

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<p>hey im an American studying at Warwick (i study EPAIS: Economics, politics and international studies) and I will say that I WAS IN THE SAME SITUATION AS YOU I wanted to go to Stern but their aid was Bulls****</p>

<p>for LSE: You would have to have taken around more than 8AP to even be considered </p>

<p>UCL, Warwick and Kings: You can make all of them</p>

<p>Oxbridge: you never know.</p>

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<p>Ah thanks for your reply! Do you like it over there? I would be doing EPAIS at warwick as well. I like can't help needing to send a hail mary app to LSE but I'll have to figure that out.. 5 choices is not enough for a clueless american.</p>

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<p>Its different from the US I can tell you that right now. I have a friend from Warwick whose dad worked at the admission office for Government at LSE and he stated that LSE basically has a level where they will not even look at some application if they dont meet some minimum requirement. </p>

<p>warwick EPAIS is great I love it actually, its just the fact that they overcrowd your 1st year with 7 classes but 2 and 3rd year you have 4 classes each year. remember that UK is different from the US in saying that there is NO GE you will focus on ur major from day 1 and if you want to switch you would have to reapply.</p>

<p>LSE: Great for Economics, Law, IR,
Warwick: Economics department is one of the best in the UK
UCL: Economics also great</p>

<p>Kings: hmmm sub-par</p>

<p>ps: if you do come to UK will u be coming in FAll of 2007 or Fall of 2008?</p>

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<p>since you are already in the US, why not transfer to some other university in the United States? You mean it is actually cheaper to study in UK than to stay in the US?</p>

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<p>yeah basically. avg tuition is around 10,000 pounds a year/3 years.</p>

<p>my family is in a weird spot where our assets keep us out of financial aid, but my dad is disabled so no income is coming in and i cannot get loans. my uncle said he would cosign a loan for the 10,000 pounds. so.. because it isnt until fall 2008, i am going to work my ass off for living expenses.. so yep, cheaper than $45,000 a year NYU with no aid, or Cornell with minimal aid.</p>

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<p>it would be fall 08, they apply so damn early!</p>

<p>yeah im not sure king's is really worth it, i was thinking of applying there as a like.. "safety" but i doubt i would go abraod for a school inferior to NYU. </p>

<p>ive been debating applying to warwick or not, as i really need to be in london, but you make it sound pretty appealing.</p>

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<p>lol for me it was either going to UCL, warwick or bristol but UCL's London price plus the london surrounding will cost so much compare to where I am right now. I mean its only an hr away from London so if you want to go to london on the weekend its not like its miles and miles away plus Oxbridge, Imperial, Warwick, LSE are the only schools that never fell out of the top 10 in rankings for UK so you should definiltly consider warwick</p>

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<p>Us->uk </p>

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<p>I am a bit of the reverse. I am an American looking to study undergrad at either Oxford(big stretch, but worth an application), UCL, London School of Economics, Warwick or King's College.</p>

<p>I just completed my first year at NYU as a journalism and middle eastern studies double major (took all major classes thanks to AP exams) with a fairly decent GPA.. although i do not think they care about my grades there. I had to withdraw from NYU because of their legendary financial aid. So I am looking at the UK as a more affordable alternative for an anglophiliac like myself.</p>

<p>My stats are as follows:</p>

<p>ACT- 32 (30, 31, 33, 36, 30)
SAT - 2100 (760, 680, 660.. measely.. wondering about even sending it)
AP: Bio 5, US History 5, Lit 5, Art History 4, Spanish 4, Eng Lang 4</p>

<p>My rec is fantastic, and my personal statement I'm happy with, which is a good sign because I'm a perfectionst writer. Writing is basically my core academic strength.</p>

<p>Plus a lot of relevant internship/work experience.</p>

<p>I am applying to two english courses, a history course, and a european social/political studies course.</p>

<p>Anyone familiar with the system able to offer me a bit of an evaluation or chance of admission?</p>

<p>I am also looking at American schools.</p>

<p>I don't think you'll get an offer for ESPS at UCL for three reasons: the minimum offer is usually 40 at IB, and judging from your AP scores, you aren't close to that. Second, what are your language skills like? What foreign language can you offer? At least one language at AP 5 (minimum of one) or IB HL Language B at grade 6 is basic to ESPS. You are competing with students from across Europe some of whom may be able to offer fluency in two languages other than English. Third, what social sciences background do you have? They will want to see more evidence of study in social sciences for ESPS- and European concentration- not Middle Eastern, especially since you have already had a year at university. There are only 40 places at UCL for ESPS.</p>

<p>Journalism is not offered at any of the universities you mention.</p>

<p>Finally, English is also a difficult couse to get on to- it has a lot of prestige in the UK and is very competitive. Offers at the universities you mention are usually no less than IB 38-40, or AAA/AAAA at A Level. </p>

<p>You won't get into Oxford or Cambridge.</p>

<p>Sorry to be discouraging. Spread the net wider and be clear about what exactly you want to study. If it is the Modern Middle East, try SOAS: School of Oriental and African Studies, another University of London College.</p>

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<p>really i think he can get into Warwick for EPAIS i know people who got into Warwick EPAIS with SAT level 2000+ and gotten 55544 on AP TEST</p>

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<p>SAT isn't considered a major factor in UK admissions. I don't know about the EPAIS course at Warwick, perhaps he might get in if a modern foreign language isn't a consideration.</p>

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<p>SAT is a major factor for FRESHMAN admission to the University of St. Andrews which isn't Cambridge or Oxford, but it still has a fairly decent reputation. I'd imagine that it would be the same case for transfer. You do have to realize that almost none of your credits will transfer to a UK institution. You're really much better off staying in the US from a financial standpoint--out of state tuition at some very good public universities is only 10-15k USD/yr.</p>

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<p>ahahah UC Berk, UCLA, U MICH and UVA out of state admission is good as international ~</p>

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<p>St Andrews is over rated in the USA. They have a well established public relations machine which specifically targets the US market. Although it is a good university, it is not considered a top ten university in the UK. It is picturesque and ancient, but it's not in the first rank academically, except for its International Relations Department. So it makes sense that the SAT is an important factor in St. Andrew's admissions; some 15% of its students are American.</p>

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<p>lol Yes i think St. Andrews is overrated... the reason that tons of Americans apply to St. Andrews is because Prince Williams attended there</p>

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<p>They also have a well developed public relations effort in the US. St. Andrews is small, and has successfully drawn in Americans for a few years now. The Prince William factor is fading- it's been quite a few years ago now. The best universities don't need to spend big sums on PR in the US.</p>

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<p>Of course you guys are welcome to your own opinions, but do you have any first-hand experience with St Andrews and where do you get your information? They may draw a large number of students from North America, but this just contributes to the fact that they are far more cosmopolitan than most British universities. St Andrews has one of the highest ratios of international students of any university in the United Kingdom. They recruit international students for a number of reasons; cultural diversity is viewed as an asset to the learning environment and international students pay higher fees, which better support the growth of the university. Recruiting overseas isn’t something that “good” universities do and the “best” universities forgo. If you think that the Ivies don’t recruit abroad, guess again. Also, its not like St Andrews can’t find enough domestic applicants because for some courses over twenty prospective students apply for every one place. These are some of the best students, as St Andrews has the fourth highest entry standards in the UK. I agree that the Prince William factor is fading, but has been replaced by the international recognition that St Andrews is one of the best universities in the United Kingdom. The number of high quality applicants has been rising for the past five years. As for not being in the top ten, you should check the latest rankings. The Guardian places St Andrews fourth in the United Kingdom; the Good University Guide ranks it fifth. </p>

<p>Link: <a href="http://browse.guardian.co.uk/education?SearchBySubject=false&FirstRow=0&SortOrderDirection=&SortOrderColumn=GuardianTeachingScore&Subject=University+ranking&Go=Go%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://browse.guardian.co.uk/education?SearchBySubject=false&FirstRow=0&SortOrderDirection=&SortOrderColumn=GuardianTeachingScore&Subject=University+ranking&Go=Go&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Link: <a href="http://www.thegooduniversityguide.org.uk/league_static.php?auth=1&startNum=1&endNum=12&order_by=rank%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.thegooduniversityguide.org.uk/league_static.php?auth=1&startNum=1&endNum=12&order_by=rank&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>ok first of all Lets not Trust the guardian since they rank some schools above others especially Scottish Uni I attend University of Warwick EPAIS program </p>

<p>Guardian is known for being so bias in rankings especially to Scottish Uni I trust Times Ranking more and how in the world is Warwick Physics department #22 on there ranking and plus on in the world does Warwick beat LSE in economics in rankings... NO it doesn't so ....</p>

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<p>oh yeah and yes i did apply to St. Andrews last year for MA in IR</p>

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<p>jwagner: </p>

<p>I attended St. Andrews for awhile. I liked the placed, but I left for my own reasons. However, I do feel like I can speak about the university accurately and without bias. </p>

<p>Entry standards are not what they are made out to be by the guardian and UK in general or in the University itself. This is especially for international students, I'd say it's EASY to get into St. Andrews if you are American via the separate application since SAT is the major consideration. (>1350 is essentially a golden ticket if my memory serves me right)</p>

<p>Binvolio is close, but not exactly right. For International Relations and Chemistry and a handful of other departments, St. Andrews is an excellent school. If you wish to study those subjects, then go to St. Andrews. Overall though, St. Andrews isn't the school it makes itself out to be. I'm not sure that it would put it out of the top ten in the UK, but it's not after Cambridge, Oxford, and LSE like they try to make it seem.</p>

<p>As for highly qualified applicants, it seemed to me like a lot of students were very intelligent but certainly underachievers. </p>

<p>I will say that the quality of the education in Chemistry was absolutely astonishing. I tell people what my first year labs were like and they remark that most first year graduate students don't get to touch the instrumentation that we did.</p>