USC Thorton School of Music

<p>I was curious about the Thorton School of Music at USC (actually all music school and programs, I am particcularly asking about Throton because I am interested in applying at USC). I had a few questions...</p>

<p>First, I am a junior, and I have been playing the guitar for 5 years and piano for over two years. I take both instruments seriously and i would consider myslef a little higher than an intermediate guitar and piano player. I have basic knowledge on compostion and music theory. I was looking over the programs that were offered at Thorton and if I did attend there, I think I would study Jazz Studies or Composition. Now for the questions...</p>

<p>Do music schools, especially a music school like Thorton at USC, care or worry about your actual skill level at the instruments you play?</p>

<p>Can I be enrolled in USC and study music, without being in Thorton, or is it if you go to USC and you take a music class, then you are also in Thorton, or do you have to go through a whole other admissions process.</p>

<p>If anybody is enrolled in some of the music programs, do you have any insight or tips and what can be done to prepare myself for music in college? Also any feedback on the programs would be great. </p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>Hoobucs, start by reading this <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-music-major-one-familys-experience.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-music-major-one-familys-experience.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Also, you may wish to repost in cc’s music major forum <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Can I be enrolled in USC and study music, without being in Thorton
Yes, but there are prereqiisites for many music classes AND you need to get "clearance’ i.e.permission to take a class. You can take music lessons at USC</p>

<p>menloparkmom provided general answers to your USC/Thorton questions, and additional info is available here:
<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/schools/music/private/docs/academic/minors/nonmaj.pdf[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/schools/music/private/docs/academic/minors/nonmaj.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
[USC</a> Thornton School of Music : Academic Programs: Options for Non-Music Majors](<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/schools/music/programs/minors/]USC”>http://www.usc.edu/schools/music/programs/minors/)</p>

<p>Please be aware that “music” encompasses a broad spectrum, and while you have provided a bit of background info, there honestly isn’t enough to begin to “peg” programs.</p>

<p>You need to be completely aware of the differences between audition and non audition based programs, the variety and quality of the multitude of various schools and departments, the differences between BA and BM pursuits, the quality of peers and your level of competitiveness within a given audition pool, your current training and skill set as well as potential. In a performance discipline, instrumental instructor is often the prime criteria in selecting school options.</p>

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<p>The short answer is yes. In most cases your skill level will dictate your admittance in an audition based program. There are institutional, discipline and academic requirements that vary widely by program. You will need to be aware of the differences, requirements and parameters. The nuances add another dimension to the college admissions process. Thorton is one of country’s the more eminent music programs.</p>

<p>Again, I urge you to explore your questions in depth within cc’s music major forum.</p>

<p>My d. is in Thornton and her report is all the performance musicians are amazing–as in top of their town/state etc. coming out of high school. An applicant to the jazz program at USC, won a nationally recognized composition and performance award did not get in last year. Not only does USC expect high levels of achievement in music but academics need to be outstanding. He had good, solid academics but not outstanding meaning 2000+SAT scores and 3.9+ gpa</p>

<p>Son is an incoming freshman in the Popular Music Performance program at the Thornton School. He auditioned as a singer/songwriter and had to submit recordings of his music which resulted in an invitation to their audition weekend (Late January I think). Substantially all Thornton auditions are on the same weekend whether classical, jazz or popular music. He received more comments about the quality of his songwriting and arranging than his singing or skill on piano and guitar (he played both in the audition). So, I would say it is important to be good at your instrument, but if your composing is exceptional, they will take you on that too. BTW Lamont Dozier was part of the panel he auditioned with :).</p>

<p>The Dean of Thornton, Robert Cutietta, held a very useful talk and question/answer session the day of the auditions (at least the first day which we attended). One of the questions was musical ability vs academics. USC incoming ACT/SAT scores are pretty high and he indicated that first the music faculty judged your musical ability and if they felt you fit in the school musically they sit down with the admissions people and work through who would be admitted. If you are the top violinist, pianist, etc from auditions, then you need pretty good but not great grades/test scores. If you are down the list a ways really top grades/test scores would be helpful. He said it happens all the time that talented musicians that they would take on musical talent alone aren’t admitted because of their academics. The Dean was a very impressive guy in the way he communicated so well and logically about the admissions process, Thornton’s expectations and direction and also how Thornton students balanced music and the rest of being a part of USC. </p>

<p>I have a somewhat different perspective since Popular Music Performance path is new and different than classical and jazz is closer to classical based on son’s preparation for audition for jazz piano at Northwestern (He canceled the audition after acceptance into Thornton). I think clear evidence of your passion about music and then impressing them with your ability are the things that I think were helpful for my son. </p>

<p>Son has recently registered so I have been getting familiar with the course catalog and there are classes that are open to people not in Thornton and classes geared to only specific majors and everything in between, but there is a pretty limited set of classes for those outside of Thornton I think. I’m pretty sure lessons are available to the student body as a whole. 1 hour/week for a semester is ~$650 which ends up being a little over $40/hour which isn’t too bad given the talent of the instructors. They are also available at half that for half an hour/week. I expect that the best instructors are assigned to the Thornton students first. Virtually all of the music classes are in Thornton I think unless the slant is sociological, historical etc although Thornton has some of those too. </p>

<p>Thornton also has a Music Industry program that is pretty impressive. We visited for a scholarship interview on a Friday and sat in on a class that was going to go a large concert venue Saturday AM and participate in the set up for a large rock concert Saturday night. Instructor was knowledgeable and motivating to listen to. Also on same day sat in on a group of jazz students who were trying to play one of the students composition. They were a pretty normal set of kids struggling to play a new song and to be honest I didn’t walk out going wow, how could they be so amazing. The song was one that maybe you had to be a little more musically adventurous than I am to appreciate, but was one of those more likely to play to 20 people on a Sunday afternoon than 1000 on a Friday night. Interesting, but not much mass appeal.</p>

<p>I would encourage you to go on Youtube and look up Thornton School and watch some of the videos they have of professors talking about their approach to their students/program. Two I recommend are one where the lead conductor of the Orchestra talks about the risks/rewards of pursuing a degree/career in music and one where the jazz piano instructor talks about how he teaches improvisation. They will give you some idea of how Thornton views things and also the type and quality of instructor although I suspect those two are among the best. Son is a talented musician, but more of a songwriter than composer and more of an improvisational pianist than classically trained pianist so he wasn’t planning on a major in music until the Popular Music Performance Program at USC was announced because he didn’t feel he fit most other programs. We have a limited view accordingly, but we did visit several top Universities and were very impressed with Thornton.</p>

<p>Also, for USC and I suspect many others, you will want to make sure you are maximizing your grades and ACT/SAT scores. </p>

<p>Good Luck</p>

<p>Radad,
Thank you for such an informative post. I know one student who turned down Julliard and the New England Conservatory for Thornton. Others have chosen SC over top conservatories.
The music forum on CC is northeastern oriented. It would be helpful if you could post your comments again on the CC music forum. As I have commented before, in my opinion, with the famous School of Cinematic Arts, Thornton School of Music, School of Fine Arts and the School of Theatre SC has some of the most accomplished, talented, creative, imaginative and gifted students in the country.</p>

<p>I won’t disagree with Georgia Girl’s comment that there is more info on east of the Mississippi programs than on “the other side” on the music major forum.</p>

<p>Thorton is a “name brand” nationally, and deserves a hard look for anyone looking at the nation’s “top” programs. </p>

<p>raddad, your cross post in the music major forum is a welcome addition. Any additional info you may have on other west coast music programs would serve to fill in some gaps.</p>

<p>hey everyone! I am applying as a Junior transfer for Fall 2010. I attend UC Santa Cruz, but I would love to transfer to Thornton as a Music Industry major. I currently have a 3.2ish gpa, but I know I can get it up to a 3.4 after Fall quarter. Throughout the past school year, my gpa consistently climbed, from a 2.35 fall quarter to a 3.56 in spring quarter. How much does Thornton care about gpa?</p>

<p>I work at my school’s radio station as a DJ on two radio shows, and I am also on the Program Review Committee and the Governing Board. I have helped plan numerous events at the station and I was awarded Rookie of the Year for the 2008-2009 year. Outside of school, I interned at Warner Bros. Records this summer in the promotions department. Will these extracurricular activities help me get into the Music Industry program? I want a career in music and I feel that USC’s B.S. in Music Industry in the best option.</p>

<p>For the BS in Music Industry, USC recommends taking Macro and Micro Econ prior to transferring, but they aren’t requirement. As of now I am planning on taking Macro in the fall and Micro in the winter. Is this a good plan?</p>

<p>Thank you to whoever can help me with these questions!</p>

<p>Jessica1289,
According to the High School Plan on USC’s website, gpa is very important, especially in junior year.</p>

<p>This thread is almost a year old.</p>

<p>this was very helpful!!</p>

<p>It is the Thornton School of Music. Last year Thornton celebrated 125 years!</p>