USC's academics are higher than UCLA's- Princeton Review

<p>Just curious, why hasn't anyone cited this before? Princeton Review is highly regarded and gave USC an 87 and UCLA an 80 in academic quality, 100 being the best. I mean they gave Berkeley a 91 and Stanford a 99. Seems pretty accurate.</p>

<p>Again, just curious.</p>

<p>[url=<a href="http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/college/CollegeAcademics.aspx?iid=1023244%5DUSC%5B/url"&gt;http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/college/CollegeAcademics.aspx?iid=1023244]USC[/url&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p>

<p>[url=<a href="http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/college/CollegeAcademics.aspx?iid=1023373%5DUCLA%5B/url"&gt;http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/college/CollegeAcademics.aspx?iid=1023373]UCLA[/url&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p>

<p>DJ,
Could you copy out those ratings please?</p>

<p>They do not have a list of the academic ratings. You have to search for a particular college and then click the “academic tab” on the college’s profile, then it will give you their academic ranking. </p>

<p>However, because I am a total nerd I will copy the ratings of the TOP 50 Best Colleges according to US NEWS.</p>

<p>*** Note there are different rankings for graduate schools. This is strictly for their undergraduate programs ***</p>

<p>Harvard - 99
Princeton- 98
Yale- 96
MIT- 97
Stanford- 99
Cal Tech- 87
UPenn- 89
Columbia- 96
Duke- 92
U Chicago- 97
Dartmouth- 96
Northwestern- 88
Wash U STL- 95
Cornell- 89
Johns Hopkins- 86
Brown- 91
Rice- 96
Emory- 90
Notre Dame- 92
Berkeley- 91
CMU- 99
G-Town- 92
UVA- 98
UCLA- 80
U Mich- 83
USC- 87
Tufts- 91
Wake Forest- 87
UNC-Chapel Hill- 84
Brandeis- 88
W&M- 91
NYU- 83
BC- 88
GIT- 74
Lehigh- 87
UCSD- 79
Rochester- N/A
UW-Madison- 80
UI- 74
Case Western- 83
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute- 79
UW- 78
UC Davis- 77
UCI- 75
UCSB- 81
Penn State- 74
UT- 75
UF- 72
Yeshiva- N/A</p>

<p>Vanderbilt - 92</p>

<p>How do they calculate these rankings? Some seem okay, but then some seem decidedly odd, or at the very least unexpected. I would predict special programs or honors colleges within schools might reflect differences, but still.</p>

<p>Jumping on the nerd train :slight_smile: I’m putting them in ranking order so everyone can react!</p>

<p>CMU- 99
Harvard - 99
Stanford- 99
Princeton- 98
UVA- 98
U Chicago- 97
MIT- 97
Columbia- 96
Dartmouth- 96
Rice- 96
Yale- 96
Wash U STL- 95
Duke- 92
G-Town- 92
Notre Dame- 92
Vanderbilt - 92
Berkeley- 91
Brown- 91
Tufts- 91
W&M- 91
Emory- 90
Cornell- 89
UPenn- 89
BC- 88
Brandeis- 88
Northwestern- 88
Cal Tech- 87
Lehigh- 87
USC- 87
Wake Forest- 87
Johns Hopkins- 86
UNC-Chapel Hill- 84
Case Western- 83
U Mich- 83
NYU- 83
UCSB- 81
UCLA- 80
UW-Madison- 80
UCSD- 79
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute- 79
UW- 78
UC Davis- 77
UCI- 75
UT- 75
GIT- 74
UI- 74
Penn State- 74
UF- 72</p>

<p>Rochester- N/A
Yeshiva- N/A</p>

<p>this cannot be taken seriously… how can they say a school like UCSB is higher than UCLA?</p>

<p>DJS3CA - Thanks for being a total nerd. Appreciate the list!
Madbean - Thanks for being a helper nerd :)</p>

<p>If you want to see the ranking criteria - go to The Princeton Review site:</p>

<p>[Best</a> 368 Rankings: Academics](<a href=“http://www.princetonreview.com/bestcolleges/academics.aspx]Best”>http://www.princetonreview.com/bestcolleges/academics.aspx)</p>

<p>"Academics</p>

<p>How hard students work and how much they get back for their efforts, on a scale of 60-99. This rating is calculated from student survey results and statistical information reported by administrators. Factors weighed include how many hours students study outside of the classroom and the quality of students the school attracts. We also considered students’ assessments of their professors, class size, student-teacher ratio, use of teaching assistants, amount of class discussion, registration, and resources. Please note that if a school has an Academic Rating of 60*, it means that the school did not report to us a sufficient number of the statistics that go into the rating by our deadline."</p>

<p>[The</a> Princeton Review’s College Ratings](<a href=“http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:YhvfWGfztlgJ:www.princetonreview.com/college/college-ratings.aspx+Princeton+Review+“Academic+Rating”&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]The”>http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:YhvfWGfztlgJ:www.princetonreview.com/college/college-ratings.aspx+Princeton+Review+“Academic+Rating”&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)</p>

<p>Could someone give an average academic index of private universities listed above compared to public universities. Seems to me the index is biased towards private univerisities. Do a survey of students. Typically that is biased based on grades received. Private univerisities must give higher grades (grade inflation) to help justifiy return on investment (otherwise known as tuition). So yeah, it makes sense that usc is higher than ucla…</p>

<p>Weren’t people posting on this forum about how USC has grade deflation? Or was that just the Marshall school?</p>

<p>Haha. You know what I love about Bruins? They absolutely cannot admit the truth, USC is better and will surpass them in the rankings shortly. That’s why the Daily Bruin writes several articles about how they should be scared, because their public school system is deteriorating. </p>

<p>USC does not have a grade inflation. Really, get with the times. USC is a strong contender who consistently improves in leading research and academics. Does USC still hold some stereotypes? Hell yeah it does, but what university doesn’t? </p>

<p>UCLA has been stagnate in the 25th spot for a while now. Sure, it’s a great number, but what does that say about their university’s progress? Furthermore, what does it say about UCLA that USC, once ranked 47th, in a very short time caught up with them? USC is an aggressive university and Bruins need to read for once and see that USC isn’t inferior. Also, USC does not cook their grade books. USC is on the semester system which means we have more time, UCLA is on quarters which means you go through more material in a short amount of time. Just because we don’t have midterms every week doesn’t mean that our academics are sub-par.</p>

<p>Woah, cmu is just as good as harvard. These rankings are stupid</p>

<p>If USC is so good why do you have to make stupid threads that say USC is better than UCLA</p>

<p>It’s not this, I’m sure. :D</p>

<p>[UCLA?USC</a> rivalry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA-USC_rivalry]UCLA?USC”>UCLA–USC rivalry - Wikipedia)</p>

<p>@DJS3CA: Haha. You know what I love about Bruins? They absolutely cannot admit the truth, USC is better and will surpass them in the rankings shortly.</p>

<p>I was expecting better critical reading ability from a USC student like DJS3SA (assuming you are one). Please re-read my entire post. Since when I became a Bruin? I have not mentioned anything about UCLA. I am affliated with neither UCLA nor USC. </p>

<p>It is odd to see so many private universities having higher academic index per Princeton review compilation (academic index of Princeton review must be distinguished from academics of the university itself). Very few public universities show up there. Hence my question. I did not mention anything about UCLA or even USC in my post. </p>

<p>In short, get a life.</p>

<p>would you happen to have Pepperdine’s rating?</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>There’s a reason why USC isn’t listed on the CC Top Universities section, while UVa, UNC, Michigan, Berkeley and UCLA all are listed. USC isn’t great. None of the top students from my graduating class chose USC. In fact, the kids who chose USC were Berkeley/UCLA rejects. Val chose UCLA, Sal chose LMU with a full ride, 3rd chose Dartmouth, 4th took UVa (I think?), 5th took Berkeley, 6th took Duke and 7th took Cornell. I have only met one person in my graduating class that chose USC over UCLA. Again, USC isn’t a better institution. Public universities suffer as a result of the rankings THAT CLEARLY FAVOR PRIVATES OVER PUBLICS.</p>

<p>saw this in the UCLA version of the USC thread</p>

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<p>Your anecdotal evidence means nothing. I can find plenty of people who picked USC over those schools you listed, so what does that mean?</p>

<p>Please give me your evidence then, I’d like to see it. Also, that’s how it was at the top of the graduating classes at all 4 of the high schools in my city.</p>

<p>And again, because I guess you missed it</p>

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<p>sharkfin, did you notice that you are commenting on a thread that is more than a year old? </p>

<p>And I was wondering - when did you graduate from high school (you list your birthdate as March 27, 1980 on your profile)? It is impressive that you still remember where everyone went to college a dozen years after you graduated.</p>