USC's REPUTATION COMPARABLE TO UCLA OR UC BERKELEY ?

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Southern California
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1) it's smaller than a UC, hence, averages tend to be higher

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depends on the UC, and still that would only be few UCs. the undergrad student body is about 16,000 students, and a total student body of around 30,000.</p>

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I know a lot of people from my HS who got into UC irvine but were rejected from USC, more than a statistically insignificant amount.

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yeah same here...a lot of people (including myself) considered UCI a safety at my school, and the people with lesser academic stats are going there. it didnt hurt that the top 4% of students at my school got guaranteed acceptance to UCI under ELC. </p>

<p>also, UCI gave me the Regents' Scholarship, the top scholarship they offer (other UCs offer a higher Chancellor's Scholarship i think), and there were literally hundreds of them from what i saw at their Regents' Scholars presentation. USC gave me the Deans' Scholarship, a level or two below Trustee and Presidential. now i can't speak for the selection process, but at first glance it already says something about the competitiveness of the USC selection pool.</p>

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<p>Regarding your USC and UCI students comments, I can clearly tell you know very little about what you're talking about.</p>

<p>I live in Irvine, and spend a lot of time on UCI campus, know a lot of kid going to UCI, and a lot of professors teaching there. Let me tell you this, there are some great students here, but collectively these two student bodies are not comparable.</p>

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<p>oh i'm sorry i don't live in the same area as you, where demographics and reasons for attendence are different :rolleyes:</p>

<p>i'm not doubting that UCI students are different from USC students. and i'm not saying UCI students aren't smart or competitive. and from the time i spent there and the research i did leading up to choosing which college, i'd even say on the whole they might be smarter, or at the least much more studious (however at the cost of well-roundedness, which USC tends to value highly). but to say USC students "don't compare" to UCI students academically is a bit unfair.</p>

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<p>Why are we even talking about UCI?</p>

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<p>Funnyman - </p>

<p>one the one hand you say "I think comparision are futile".. Then you turn around and say * "the average student at USC is comparable to a UC Irvine student" * ... and ... * "USC is a great school, but I don't think it's known as ACADEMICALLY strong of a school when compared to UCLA and UCB nationally". * YOU, twice, compared USC with other schools (both times UC schools).</p>

<p>You use academics ("ACADEMICALLY") as your basis for saying that UCLA and UCB are better, and then you discount the higher SAT scores at USC (as a statistic anomaly). Yet SAT scores are an agreed upon factor when discussing academics. You discount the use of * "composite" * SAT scores by Private universities. So, can I assume that you also discount the academics of Stanford as well? No, I suppose not. The downgrade only applies to USC. (what a suprise).</p>

<p>I don't know your situation. You stated that you almost attended USC. You even stated "I didn't" - in response to somone who asked " Don't most people go to the best school they got into?". By your own words, it sounds like you were accepted into a better school - than the one that you are attending. </p>

<p>I do have to wonder, if your reason, and the reason for some others (UC school matriculants) is the cost. Maybe you, or maybe others, WANTED to attend USC, but can not afford it. I just can't think of why some (who are matriculating to other schools) feel the need to put down USC. (Maybe that is NOT the case for you, but i do wonder about some UC students who keep posting in USC threads).</p>

<p>My son was accepted to UCLA and chose USC. We can not really afford it, but for me, as the father, I choose to make the (financial) sacrafice for his sake. </p>

<p>I, personally, DO view USC, UCB, and UCLA as top universities. And, I, personally, choose NOT to put down UCLA or UCB (nor any of the other top 5 UC campuses that my son was accepted into.). </p>

<p>Down the road, you may end up working side-by-side with graduates from all 3 schools. I offer a suggestion, stop with the condescending comparisons and put-downs. Your attempt at a backhanded compliment of USC was insulting.</p>

<p>Bottomline, I do respect your reasons for choosing the school that you will be attending. I do hope that you get a great education.</p>

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<p>ok, i transfered from uci, and i can say with confidence that the avg uci student does not even compare to the avg USC student. bio students are sometimes an exeption. thats a fact, jack. atleast that debate is over.</p>

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<p>A number of my daughter's classmates are going to UCI. Their class ranks were generally between 10-30 at our H.S.</p>

<p>I know of only three for sure that were accepted to USC (two are going, the other chose UCB). 2 of these students were in the school's Top 6, and I believe the other student accepted was in the Top 10. </p>

<p>Putting stats aside, whether or not it ranks on a par with USC, UCI is a well-regarded school, and the bottom line is students can be happy and achieve success wherever they end up. The bottom line is students should choose the school that they feel is the best match. My daughter was accepted at a school "ranked" higher than USC, Wake Forest, as well as at several highly ranked smaller liberal arts colleges (she made Williams' wait list), but chose USC because she thought that overall it was the best choice for her. Which is what really matters!</p>

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<p>Short answer: ABSOLUTELY.</p>

<p>Long answer: don't even get me started.</p>

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<p>USC's "reputation" is comparable to UCLA, not Berkeley. In terms of academics per se, USC can somewhat compare to UCLA, but is nothing compared to Cal.</p>

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<p>(Laugh out loud)</p>

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USC's "reputation" is comparable to UCLA, not Berkeley. In terms of academics per se, USC can somewhat compare to UCLA, but is nothing compared to Cal.

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<p>i don't think so. While I would agree that berkeley's reputation is significantly superior to USC in many areas, there are lots of qualities where USC is better than Berkeley; class size and accessability to professors the main one that comes to mind. Though Cal is a fine school it does have its deficiencies vis a vis being part of the UC system.</p>

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<p>stykur, i think you'll find that many people turned down CAL for USC. There's a group on facebook and there are many members. I think your statement was a little brash.</p>

<p>In the end, you really can't compare USC and CAL as they are VERY different schools. They each have their strong suits...</p>

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<p>I agree Guidez. My daughter turned down Cal and UCLA (and others) for USC, but not because she didn't think Cal and USC (and others) were great schools. Too many people weigh only a schools "reputation" from guidebooks, rankings etc. School selection is much more complex than that.</p>

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<p>Please don't start up this thread again. It's been dormant for 13 wonderful days. Posts may be logical and friendly now, but sooner or later, people from other forums will start attacking this thread, and another heated argument about USC vs. UCLA vs. CAL will result. :(</p>

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<p>Excellent point, can't believe I got pulled in again...</p>

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Business Week (2006) has a list of Rankings for Top Business Schools. USC is ranked 21st. UCLA is not even on the list of 50 schools, not at all.

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<p>That's undergraduate business. UCLA has no undergraduate business administration, therefore it would not be ranked. It has business economics which yields similar job opportunities. You take finance and accounting classes at UCLA Anderson but it does not have heavy courseload in marketing, management, advertising so it's not a traditional "business administration" program.</p>

<p>If you're talking about MBA, UCLA Anderson is superior to USC Marshall according to every publication</p>

<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/04/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/04/index.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Another Business School Rankings list. This time USC is ranked #20. And, once again UCLA is not on the list, not at all. It does have UC Davis #32, and UC Irvine #31, and even Berkeley. But no UCLA.

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<a href="http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rankings/business_schools/bschool.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rankings/business_schools/bschool.asp&lt;/a>
Look carefully, UCLA is ranked #10 compared to USC (#20).</p>

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UC Berkeley's on par with schools such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT in terms of education and international prestige. Berkeley can't be compared with UCLA nor USC.

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UC Berkeley's business school Haas is not comparable to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford or MIT. Nor is it superior to UCLA Anderson.</p>

<p>In Southern California, USC's reputation is close to UCLA's and UC Berkeley's for undergrad. Out of state, UCLA and UC Berkeley has more prestige. But seriously, does it matter if you want to work in Southern California? In the real world, you'll be fine if you graduate from any of these three schools if you plan to work in California.</p>

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<p>In the real world, you can drop out of college and become the richest person in America. Life's awesome. But then again, Bill Gates went to Harvard.</p>

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<p>When I say "in the real world" I'm assuming the person wants to work for elitist corporations such as investment banks who will almost never hire from schools such as UCI or UCSB.</p>

<p>Bill Gates is not great because he went to Harvard, but because he got accepted into Harvard. He dropped out of college to run his business.</p>

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<p>Investment banks do hire from schools like UCI and UCSB. Particularly now that UCI will be getting an undergraduate major in business and its MBA just received $30million from a private donor and rocketed into the top 40.</p>

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<p>They might start hiring from UCI after it establishes its undergraduate business major, but right now the bulge-bracket investment banks (Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Lehman Brothers, etc) rarely hire from UCI and UCSB. The only way to get in is to network like crazy or to get a MBA at a top business school.</p>