Useless' Liberal Arts Degree Has Become Tech's Hottest Ticket

http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2015/07/29/liberal-arts-degree-tech/

Useless’ Liberal Arts Degree Has Become Tech’s Hottest Ticket

Throughout the major U.S. tech hubs, whether Silicon Valley or Seattle, Boston or Austin, Tex., software companies are discovering that liberal arts thinking makes them stronger.

They have just caught on to what elite consulting firms and i-banks have known all along…

This begs for a little “told ya so.” :slight_smile:

Looks like I’ll be sticking to a BA in CS.

This is not news. It has been like this for years. There is no need for “I told you so” comment unless you were clueless in the first place. Fiorina has an undergraduate in Philosophy from Stanford, went the sales route and became HP Ex-CEO. As I recall, HP was considered a high tech company.

I did a BA in CS 30+ years ago. I took as much philosophy and religion as CS. I took plenty of other science courses too, and courses in the humanities. I believe I have been employed every day of my life since I graduated, if you include the time I was on fellowships for graduate school. On the other hand, college is for education, not job training. I don’t care how employable you are, having an education is always a good thing. A one year masters degree can give you training if that is what you want after you have an education…

The most talented software architect I’ve ever worked with has an undergrad in History and a JD.

And so e of the most talented hackers I know has no degree, neither liberal arts nor engineering. So there. :stuck_out_tongue:

And there are 4 people in the top 20 richest in the world who were college dropouts - what losers!!

This doesn’t seem like any surprise. You are always going to need people that are non tech people to support your c business , if it is science or engineering based.

And engineering major can work in sale and marketing positions if they so choose, even later after years working as engineer. Surprise? NOT.

Agree. One of my engineering sons is still doing engineering/computer stuff but he also has very good social, communication skills . He has been given increased opportunities in managing and interacting with other people because of that.

Sales people who sell complex equipment/ systems are mostly engineers. There are many engineers working in pre-sell/post-sell positions. You are supposed to know all the latest football/baseball results so I am not qualified.

This is a very different technical level than selling some stupid app to a restaurant owner.

There really is no need for “I told you so” or whatever. Most people in the “Liberal Arts” (which is a funny term as, you know, most STEM fields are LA but whatever…) really do not care about what STEM people think of them or their degrees.

As someone who moves pretty easily between the two groups of people, I can honestly say (IME) the whole STEM vs LA “thing” is WAY more important to STEM people than LA people.

I would like know the ratio of HIGHLY PAID liberal-arts to STEM job vacancies in the tech sector.

GMT I’m not sure that’s a really meaningful stat b/c there are many jobs outside of engineering and programming (which are only a portion of the total jobs in tech), that STEM grads could still fill as well. Also, you will fall into a trap defining “highly paid” to make your comparison. Frankly there are so many variables I’m not sure you could get a meaningful result.

Maybe @ucbalumnus has a methodology or study to throw out on this, but I would still be skeptical that a study would yield a result anyone could find useful (to answer the question you posed, or a question like it).

One difference between various college majors is that the weaker people in the subject are “weeded out” at different stages.

In some fields, like engineering, the rigor of the curriculum persuades many of the weaker students to change to other majors, so that only the stronger ones graduate with engineering degrees. This likely is a big reason why (fewer but stronger) engineering graduates usually have good job prospects compared to many other major graduates.

In some other fields, there is a high admissions gate to pass through. Medicine is an obvious example here. The effect is similar to the above, where the (fewer but stronger) graduates tend to be quite employable.

But in many other fields, more of the separation of the strong and weak in terms of career success occurs after graduation (and non-academic factors obviously increase in effect here). So the averages associated with those majors may not be all that great, but the top end graduates do quite well.

Regarding philosophy in particular, note that it is a humanities major that also requires math-like logical thinking, so it is inherently “broad” in the types of thinking required, trained, and exercised, unlike many other majors.

While education is inherently valuable in itself, and has positive external effects on society, the cost of attending college basically forces most people to consider the financial and career return of college (in terms of employability in a greater selection of desirable jobs) when deciding whether to attend college and which college at what price to attend (see the threads discussing large amounts of student loan debt for graduates with relatively low pay jobs). Thirty years ago, college was much less expensive in real terms, so the financial and career return of college was a less significant factor.

I don’t get the confusion about “told ya so.” Over time on CC, there have been too many arguments that liberal arts will get you nowhere. But obviously it can. Even in high tech. No, this isn’t just about engineers who move into sales & marketing. Nor about who’s the best at engineering tasks during college. Nor are those smartest, trained engineers necessarily any good, at all, at the rest of what it takes to move a business forward. And no, engineers don’t necessarily dominate in selling and designing user-functional systems. They may be needed for the complex back room designs, but there’s a whole lot more needed to successfully run a competitive and successful business.

Some of u are making it sound like the demand for CS majors in tech firms has evaporated in favor of anthropology.