<p>The average SAT for Stern's incoming freshmen (2005) was 1423. Berkeley's average was 1370 (2004). There's no 200-pt difference. By the way, you are comparing the best college at NYU to entire Berkeley. Wouldn't it be more fair to compare Stern with Hass, which still may not have the best Berkeley students--they are probably in the engineering school.</p>
<p>For Berkeley's Hass, the average GPA of enrolled students from Berkeley itself was 3.64. My guess is students with 3.64 GPA at Berkeley are probably smart enough to score above 1423 on SAT when they were in HS. You mentioned about Berkeley being "infested with CC transfers"; just so you know, only 90 out of 1176 were offered transfer admission to Hass.</p>
<p>Quakerman, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that many Ross and Haas students have sub-1200 SAT scores. Michigan and Cal SAT scores are pretty equal to NYU and Ross and Haas are just as selective as Stern. You always seem to compare Stern to all of Michigan and Cal rather than compare Stern to Ross and Haas. I have no idea how you can do that when Stern only has like 2,000 undergrads compared to Michigan and Cal's 20,000+ undergrads.</p>
<p>Only 10% of Michigan (not Ross but the entire University of Michigan) students scored under a 1200 on the SAT, and most of them are athletes and part of the school of Kinesiology. The remaining sub-1200 students are probably in the school of Nursing. At Cal, the mid 50% SAT range is 1200-1440, at Michigan, 1240-1400 and at NYU, 1220-1420.</p>
<p>Ross does not publish SAT statistics because it accepts students who are already at the University of Michigan. However, only students in the 80th %ile or better at the University of Michigan get into Ross. 75%ile at the University of Michigan (again, the entire university, not Ross) is 1400. So it is safe to say that typically, only students who got 1400+ on the SAT get into Ross. The average successful Ross applicant is in the 90th %ile at the University of Michigan. In other words, the SAT range for Ross students is between 1400 and 1600, with only a handful with SAT scores under 1400. The mean SAT score is probably around 1470. </p>
<p>My friend attends there and says it is a 1290. actually post the stats for enrolled, not admitted students. I live in CA so I know just exactly how the UC system works, so you can't fool me.
and your claim on ross is ludicruous. You think Michigan is this amazing school for some reason. It's filled with long island JAPs who were rejected everywhere out East so they go to Michigan because it's expensive. I wish I knew more students in Ross because i know your 1400-1600 claim is total horsecrap.</p>
<p>It's tough to get into Ross compared to most other undergrad business programs because everyone at this point is a college student at a top 25 school. It's harder than competing with HS students. Also, the Ross application (I've seen it) is tougher than most college applications you fill out in senior year of HS. There's a lot more to put into it. Getting a 4.0 in most high schools is a joke, sometimes no effort needed. Now everyone must maintain a solid COLLEGE GPA before getting admitting to Ross, and you actually have to work. The standards are higher. Most people don't realize this. I had a 3.8 in HS, 1470 SAT. But I'm trying to get into Ross, and I'm barely expected to pull off a 3.5 this first semester in college. You shouldn't say that it's easier to get into Ross than other schools because it's not true. We're not in an easy HS anymore.</p>
<p>no actually a lot of people choose NYU over better schools. Michigan is fine, but it's not this amazing school Alexandre makes it out to be. My brother is applying to college right now and a lot of the strong students are dying to go to NYU, but I never hear berkeley and michigan mentioned. I don't know, maybe this is a college confidential thing.
redhare, you should try transferring to stern by taking every single stern class your 1st two years, a 3.3 would be exceptional, considering a 92% in macro/micro econ (the easiest class) is a B minus in stern while its an A in the college of arts in sciences.</p>
<p>I did get into Stern, but I chose Michigan because Michigan gave me a lot of financial aid. Stern is great. I'm not saying Ross is better. In fact, my final two choices turned out to be either here or Stern. I just like Ann Arbor better and I see Michigan as a fit. I have to say that nobody considers Michigan that great where I'm from (east coast), while Stern is considered second to Wharton. Now I'm here, and it's the other way around. I guess there's regional bias, too.</p>
<p>It's not clear from the Stern's website that their stats are for those enrolled or admitted either. Well, I just found common data set for both schools so we can compare apple to apple.</p>
<p>2004-2005 data for NYU:
25th Percentile 75th Percentile<br>
SAT I Verbal 610 700
SAT I Math 610 710
ACT Composite 27 31 </p>
<p>Percent of first-time, first-year (freshman) students with scores in each range:<br>
SAT I Verbal SAT I Math<br>
700-800 32.00% 29.80%
600-699 50.20% 53.10%
500-599 17.00% 16.10%
400-499 0.80% 1.00% </p>
<p>% in top-tenth: 63%</p>
<p>Berkeley:
25th Percentile 75th Percentile<br>
SAT I Verbal 580 710
SAT I Math 620 740 </p>
<p>Percent of first-time, first-year (freshman) students with scores in each range:<br>
SAT I Verbal SAT I Math<br>
700-800 30% 47%
600-699 41% 36%
500-599 21% 14%
400-499 7% 3% </p>
<p>% in top-tenth: 98%</p>
<p>It's true that Berkeley has more students with low score but it also has more students with high score. Doesn't that even things out for both? Note that Berkeley has quite a bit higher % with math>700 and a lot higher % in the top-tenth of their graduating HS class.</p>
<p>Quakerman,
I know the student body at UMich and Cal don't have the quality of, say, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson, but they're certainly trying to recruit people of that caliber. Maybe they'll luck out and get Hillary Duff, but who knows. Don't get me wrong, NYU is a fine school, on par with Boston College or Rutgers, but you only make yourself look silly trying to put NYU in league with the big boys. By the way, congrats are in order, I hear Lindsey Lohan will be attenting NYU next year. Jeez, scholars of her level are intimidating!</p>
<p>hahahaha. I think I struck a nerve with you. I guess I don't really even need to go further. I already know the facts and reality so it's not big deal to me. And the more hot girls at NYU, the better.</p>
<p>hey does n e one know y tepper isnt viewed that great by wall street. usnews, no matter how unreliable ppl say, posted tepper as 5th, and stern as 6th. and tepper is like 1st in quant analysis, which is good for ibanking or like hedge fund/trading type jobs, so shouldnt tepper be better?</p>
<p>Tepper kids are very engineering-focused and technology-oriented. They are often recruited to do IT jobs (Information Technology) or other kinds of back-office-computer-analysis jobs. it';s like MIT, although MIT's got an amazing program, it doesnt get recruited by investment banks as often as its peers.</p>
<p>investment bankers need to be aggressive, handsome, convincing and tough, and obviously brilliant.</p>
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Quakerman,
I know the student body at UMich and Cal don't have the quality of, say, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson, but they're certainly trying to recruit people of that caliber. Maybe they'll luck out and get Hillary Duff, but who knows. Don't get me wrong, NYU is a fine school, on par with Boston College or Rutgers, but you only make yourself look silly trying to put NYU in league with the big boys. By the way, congrats are in order, I hear Lindsey Lohan will be attenting NYU next year. Jeez, scholars of her level are intimidating!
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<p>Lol no.
Stern is internationally renowned, as are Michigan/Berkely business programs. I'd say that they are about equal in category.</p>
<p>Clearly Ross, Haas, Stern, Wharton, MIT, and Cornell can be a gateway to higher connections, jobs in i-banking/consulting. A 3.8 in Ross will do just as well in wall-street as a 3.8 from either Haas or Stern but which school honestly offers more to learn? The quality of education in private schools is somewhat higher than public schools.</p>
<p>This doesn't mean going to Ross is inferior than Stern. Like I said, a student successful at both colleges can get a top job in banking/consulting but overall, I feel that Stern might give a small edge to the individual. Private colleges simply have more money to spend on individual students. </p>
<p>Overall, Mich. has more of a budget than NYU or Cornell but <em>per individual student</em>, I feel that NYU invests more money because it can afford to. Similarly, I think that choosing Cornell AEM for undergrad. over places like Haas / Ross - in the end - may be a wise decision because the school can afford to spend more money, time, effort in educating the indiv. student than the publics.</p>
<p>I think we need to be a little more careful of what $ per student really means. I am not saying you are wrong; however, per capita isn't necessary the best measure for everything. For example, lets say there's a sports club called gym A that has not only weightroom/cardio machines but also amenities likewhirpool, steamroom, swimming pool, basketball courts with a operating budget of, say, $1 million and 2000 members. Gym B is a more typical one with only a weightroom and cardio machines with operating budget of, say, $100,000 with 100 members. To me, gym A has more to offer even though budget/per member is less.</p>
<p>Another real-life example. I'd lived in apt buildings that range from 18 units to 100 units per building. Currently, I live in a one with 18 units and there are 2 washing machines/2 dryers downstair. I think I wait (when both are occupied) more often now than when I was in buildings with more units and more machines but less machines per unit. ;)</p>