<p>^ lol another perfect example of a person who has no idea what hes talking about</p>
<p>1) columbia’s admit rate is lower than Stanford AND MIT AND Brown (up to the class of 2011 at least), I don’t feel like getting all the stats for you because much as I think youre ignorant, I don’t think your incapable of looking up stats on google</p>
<p>2) Columbia’s endowment is higher than that of Brown and MIT, much higher than the former</p>
<p>3) Go home, read a book or something kid</p>
<p>college ***, youre a classic example of why columbia will never maintain a #4 ranking.</p>
<p>Before you lamely attempt to deny the facts, try researching them. MIT’s endowment is around 8.5B . columbia’s is around 6.5. To non Colombia students that is a difference of about 2B in favor of MIT. </p>
<p>Brown was mentioned in the context of yet another poorly endowed school that nonetheless kicks columbia’s ass in the battle for ccross admits. And, let’s be honest: when youre alone at night with no one to know, you admit to yourself, that had you been aforded admission to HYPSM, or even poorly endowed brown, you would not have attended columbia. It’s the same for every FAS applicant. they will go to HYPS , and brown, over columbia; just as science and engineering types will prefer MIT, Caltech, stanford, and even cornell, dartmouth and brown, over columbia SEAS.</p>
<p>now you wont have to admit it in public. I did it for you.</p>
<p>^ lolumad bro?</p>
<p>No comments. I’m going to let the readers feel sry for you on their own when they read your assertion that “any FAS applicant will choose HYPSM and Brown over Columbia.”</p>
<p>good language son, you must be well read.</p>
<p>And the fact that up to class of 2011 (maybe even today) Columbia had a lower acceptance rate than Stanford, MIT, and Brown?</p>
<p>I’ll concede, though, that my claim Columbia had higher endowment than MIT and Brown was flawed on the MIT part. At teh same time though, Columbia has triple Brown’s endowment</p>
<p>Great personal attack on me there, but since its coming from an ignorant person like you, I’m going to forget it. Also, why don’t you give us some of your qualifications? You go to a top college? Or are you just a community college hobo on the street who likes to analyze college rankings?</p>
<p>ignorant people these days. sigh</p>
<p>Ivy Endowments per capita:</p>
<p>1918630 Princeton University
1393157 Yale University
1038839 Harvard University
502597 Dartmouth College
258252 Columbia University in the City of New York
255659 Brown University
190072 University of Pennsylvania
148585 Cornell University</p>
<p>Come on guys…so if a place gets more cross-admits or has a higher endowment or offers the best aid or has a lower acceptance rate, then it should be “ranked” higher? Way to just show how idiotic today’s supposedly comprehensive college ranking system and discussion have become. Isn’t it obvious by now that people look at different things when it comes to selecting a college and it isn’t necessarily limited to this objective bull and subjective analysis from people who probably don’t “like” the same things that you or I do?</p>
<p>/endrant</p>
<p>^ EXACTLY</p>
<p>thanks for agreeing that mia305 needs to ■■■■</p>
<p>I could see that things are really heating up on this post. Bottom line Columbia is a great school. Does it deserve #5, in my opinion no. I still hold the claim that Obama had a large part in the rank up. College*** it seemed in on of your post that you criticized someone because they might go to a community college. Thats a very ignorant remark. I know a bunch of people who went to a community college that make a hell of a lot more money then those that went to NYU or another prestiges school. Big plus they don’t come out with a huge debt.</p>
<p>columbia09 - it is #4. and there is, sadly, no obama factor component in the usnews methodology, so i don’t think you can blame him for columbia’s boost.</p>
<p>columbia’s boost comes, as i’ve documented before, from doing better than before in some areas - including higher SAT scores, higher % of top10% students, best frosh retention, doing better in financial categories than it has in the past, stronger alumni giving. it is helped substantially by the counselor rating that boosts its own combined rating. some of this is luck, but a lot of it has to do with things columbia has been doing since before obama was elected.</p>
<p>and columbia09, the problem with a lot of comm colleges is that it actually is easier to get into debt with them than a high powered private school because they do not offer financial aid basically to anyone, everyone pays per credit there. perhaps one of the great ‘farces’ in our system is that those that need the education the most get shut out or forced to pay, and then insensitive people (agreed with you there) make fun of them for going to community colleges. but then there is the reality that a lot of folks that go to comm college because of cost end up going parttime (which is hard) or go because they have resources, but didn’t have drive in high school. and that is the real story in which if your family makes over 80k a year, you have a better chance of going to college even if you are dumb as a rock.</p>
<p>My apologizes for the community college remark, I didn’t mean to be so rude. Plus there definitely are a handful of community college folks who transfer in to colleges like Dartmouth, Columbia, and Harvard each year. I only meant to point out the fact that simply because Mia called me out (“ppl like you are reasons why COlumbia will never retain its…”) didnt give himself any credibility. K thanks, and sorry again</p>
<p>this is stupid. listen to admissiongeek. /thread</p>
<p>(such intense anti-columbia hatred hasnt been seen since the likes of ‘iamtbh’ and ‘objobs’ )</p>
<p>i think…
mia305 = student who obviously dint get into columbia/hypsm wannabe/person who’s boyfriend (or girlfriend) dumped her on valentine’s day and goes to columbia/combination of the above 
just saying…</p>
<p>The best thing that Columbia supporters can do is to let the numbers speak for themselves; and every year, the numbers for Columbia get better. Whatever the cross-admit numbers, Columbia is increasingly denying admission to applicants its peer schools are admitting; and when that goes on for long enough, Columbia’s image will catch up to its reality. For some reason, as slicebread21 noted, Columbia arouses intense hostility from people. Not sure what the source of it is, but it leads those people to deny the reality of Columbia’s resurgence (and a resurgence it is – a return to its former eminence in American education). And the first sign of a downfall, for any person or institution, is the denial of reality.</p>
<p>^ that pretty much says it all</p>
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<p>Particular students and alumni. They constitute a minority, but a visible one still.</p>
<p>well said dwharris.</p>
<p>When those anti-Columbia people come onto this board, let them vent, get it out. Its of no account; theyre shouting into the wind. And oddly, to the extent anyone listens, theyre providing a good advertisement for Columbia. Their strenuousness to condemn it shows its an attractive place, a compelling place. Columbia and its people will have made it when theyre serene in the face of both praise and criticism.</p>
<p>to those repeatedly complaining about bureaucracy at columbia. this article is the way it REALLY is:</p>
<p>[Stop</a> whining, you go here (CUreaucracy edition) | Spectrum](<a href=“http://spectrum.columbiaspectator.com/spectrum/stop-whining-you-go-here-cureaucracy-edition]Stop”>http://spectrum.columbiaspectator.com/spectrum/stop-whining-you-go-here-cureaucracy-edition)</p>