<p>The world university rankings have recently come out on USNWR's site. Since most if not all USC kids love the USNWR rankings more than Jesus Christ, I want your guys' opinions on this. So USC is ranked 23rd in the US by USNWR, but 107 in the world. Now obviously I don't expect every college to keep the same ranking, but a majority of schools placed fairly close (some identical rank like Cal stayed at 21) to their US score - UCLA only fell to 34th. Now before everyone calls these rankings crap because a guy from UCLA happened to post them, let me say that I understand that USC is ranked 23rd based on a completely different methodology and every ranking works in different ways. For example, I am fully aware that the ranking USC placed 23rd on is focused on undergrad quality, but it baffles my mind how whenever colleges are ranked on an "overall" aspect, USC doesn't even appear anywhere close to the top yet it appears to be a Garden of Eden or Heavenly Paradise for undergrad ranking up there with the top of Universities. Slightly suspicious, but I respect that. However, my main purpose for posting these rankings is to pose this:</p>
<p>You guys regard the USNWR rankings as the holy grail of rankings (which happens to be the only one that has USC even close to UCLA). Since these rankings are based on different methodologies and USC happens to never even come anywhere close to the top on anything except for the US College USNWR rankings, why can't USC top any other ranking besides the USNWR? Or even come close at all for that matter? </p>
<p>Keep in mind these rankings I posted are endorsed and stamped by the same company (USNWR) that USC students consider the best ranking agency there is so to insult these rankings based on publisher would be an extremely difficult argument to make if not a hypocritical one.</p>
<p>USNews has been ranking colleges (undergraduate) longer than anybody else, and is the most well known. That’s why, deservedly or not, it’s given much more weight than other rankings that have sprung up in the past several years, including the QS rankings. </p>
<p>As for why USC doesn’t place as highly on world rankings, big factors are international name recognition and reseach output. There’s a reason USC held its global conference in Hong Kong and has poached faculty from well-known overseas institutions. I expect USC to start charging up world rankings as well.</p>
<p>If you’re seeking “respectful” dialogue, you may want to tone down your language. The hyperbole is unnecessary.</p>
<p>I see your from UCLA and you’re trying to bring out the ranking competition between the two school. First of all, both schools are very prestigious and are ranked among the top in California. UCLA has been the more prestigious one for decades and is more well known globally. I remember someone saying that for an average joe, UCLA would be better, but for those who are aware of the UC budget cuts and the fact that USC is rising the fastest out of any institution out there, USC would be better. USC is doing a tremendously wonderful job in bringing the best students and has made great efforts to create better academic programs, build new buildings, and maintain its phenomenal Trojan networking. It has been ranked #1 for “The Decade’s Hottest School” by the Daily Beast, and is often mentioned as one of the fastest growing institutions in the world, especially after the President Nikias of USC recently launched a $6-billion campaign.</p>
<p>USC is rising, but rankings do not yet reflect this change. In the new Times Higher Education Rankings for the top world universities, USC was able to jump around 20 spots to 55th. Rankings are never perfect, and it will, of course, take time for the renowned rankings to reflect what USC has become today. With that said, I believe that both USC and UCLA are amazing schools. We don’t attend this institution because we think the USNWR is the ‘holy grail’, but because of the numerous opportunities that the school offers. USC has its own benefits, and UCLA has its own too. I study accounting in USC, because the Leventhal School of Accounting is by far the best accounting program in the West. </p>
<p>You can bash USC with the us news world rankings as much as you can. But soon you’ll see USC ranked in the top as one of the strongest private research institutions in the world. </p>
<p>uhm Golden, aren’t you the same guy (or girl) who wrote “…US News rankings don’t mean the slightest thing. They can’t even be used for a ROUGH estimate of undergraduate quality…”?</p>
<p>^Why yes I am. However, pretty much every single USC student on this board believes that USNWR is the best ranking. I’m not saying their opinion is wrong, I was just pointing out that USNWR came out with these rankings and since USNWR is so highly regarded by USC students I wanted to post it here on this board.</p>
<p>Also, I appreciate the healthy discussion. I too think USC will rise up the rankings (like it has already been doing) and the UC budget cuts are definitely a thorn in Cal/UCLA’s side. However, I think that it’s going to take a good amount of time for USC to actually gain the respect and trust that is comparable to an international brand like Cal/UCLA. Like they say, trust/respect is easy to lose but hard to gain.</p>
<p>It’s interesting how you bother to try to sugarcoat your gloating… but really, you’ll never hear USC kids going OHHH USC IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN UCLA… do they preach a culture of hate over there?</p>
<p>"…you’ll never hear USC kids going OHHH USC IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN UCLA"</p>
<p>Haha, I say that all the time to my UCLA buddy at work. (Although I’m not exactly a kid.)</p>
<p>It does take a while to build a reputation. I do rate the quality of a USC and UCLA (and Cal) undergraduate education as pretty much equivalent, based on the graduates I see coming out of them, but I won’t pretend they’re necessarily equivalent at the graduate or research level.</p>
<p>The Economist Magazine just rated USC’s MBA program as #22 in the world, compared to UCLA’s #27 rated program. It was also ahead of Cornell, Yale, Emory and Michigan.</p>
<p>Was at the USC college tour as well as UCLA this summer with S2.</p>
<p>Interesting that the UCLA tour guide went on and on about the rivalry between the2 schools (very funny and entertaining). Nothing of the sort from the USC tour guide. Just saying…</p>
<p>I was really tickled since my S1 is a Trojan and he was not with us. S2 was laughing a lot!</p>
<p>Went to USC? Check
Job offer signed as a junior? Check
Graduated? Check
Passed all parts of the CPA exam without failing any parts? Check
Promotion at work? Check</p>
<p>I couldn’t care less where USC stands in the rankings. I’m moving on up the corporate ladder, recruiting/hiring as many trojans as I can while I’m at it, and the rest is history. </p>
<p>You’re a lucky man/woman, moss. Unfortunately not all trojans (or even bruins for that matter) are as well off, or dare I say “lucky” as you. Congratulations on a successful career.</p>
<p>I don’t agree with either of these claims. USC would certainly be a good deal for non-california residents, but it seems to me that there’s little advantage to attending USC when comparing it to its public peers (i.e Cal and UCLA) for CRs</p>
<p>I also think USC’s sharp rise is mainly due to the fact that all of the other universities aren’t amazing. USC’s now in the top 25, but competition here gets steep. Very, very steep. Notice how even though USC has significantly more money than Cal, it’s still ranked below it. If the reason to attend USC over UCLA is due to it being higher in rankings, then clearly there’s no reason to attend USC over Cal for California residents (since Cal is ranked higher and significantly less expensive.) but clearly this isn’t the case, and there’s more to these universities than their arbitrary ranking.</p>
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<p>I think this is a good way to describe why anyone attends any of the aforementioned universities (it perhaps is not the only factor, but it certainly contributes to it.)</p>
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<p>That’s pretty funny. I was at USC when i heard one of the speakers at, what i presume was one of the freshman orientations saying: ‘and we aren’t being affected by budget cuts like other schools.’ I wonder what schools that comment was directed towards :rolleyes:</p>
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LOL, have you ever been on this board/on USC’s campus?</p>
<p>All i’m saying is i’ve seen plenty of ‘Beat UCLA,’ ‘FUCLA,’ and ‘don’t bruin your life’ t-shirts at USC. Nothing of the sort is seen at UCLA; hell, even at Traddies, you guys have a picture of USC winning in a game against UCLA (14-12 IMS) and one of your drink in the aforementioned bar is called ‘Ruin the Bruin.’</p>