UT Plan II vs Rice

<p>Hi all,</p>

<p>I had my heart set on going to Rice and was delighted when I learned of my acceptance a couple of days ago. However, they offered me zero financial/merit aid, so if I decide to go, my family will be paying the full sticker price. UT Austin, which is my safety, would cost significantly less, but Rice is still much more appealing to me due to its location in Houston (NASA Space Center, Texas Medical Center, etc.), its small size, its residential college system, and the strength of its undergraduate program. I was accepted into two UT honors programs (Plan II and University Fellows), which does make UT look a little more bearable. However, in the end, I am not sure if the lower cost of UT outweighs the benefits and opportunities Rice would provide. I would like to ask what advice you can offer me regarding my choice of school. I have included other relevant information below:</p>

<p>Major: Physics/Political Science, plan to go to medical school
Rice ECA: $52k/year
UT ECA: $25k/year</p>

<p>Go to UT. You need to save a lot of money for med school. Need based and merit based scholarships are very hard to come by, except a handful of medical schools. I am told GPA and MCAT are the most important things in medical school admission process, not where you go to for undergrad. Just an anecdote, but I my fiend’s D graduated from UT in three years and now going to UT Southwestern Med School. She too was accepted to Rice and Plan II.</p>

<p>Go to UT. Rice is not worth the extra debt.</p>

<p>Texas resident here…UT Plan II is every bit as prestigious/well thought of as Rice, especially in Texas. If you’re planning on going into medicine, GPA and MCAT are the most important things just as jvtDad has said. Med school is ridiculously expensive (except for TX publics and Baylor which are incredible values). I’d save my money, go to UT, and do really well. Then, if by chance you get into a few med schools, you’ll have more money set aside; hence, you’ll have more flexibility in your decision. Good luck!</p>

<p>I know a few students from last year who received half tuition from Rice but went with plan II because it is considered equally prestigious in some circles. They intend to pursue medicine.</p>

<p>If you can’t afford Rice, you should make this decision carefully.</p>

<p>Rice’s residential college system and affiliation with the Texas Medical Center are indeed strengths, but UT’s Plan II will give you an excellent undergraduate education characterized by small classes, bright and hard-working peers, and good access to faculty. It is head and shoulders above UT’s regular programs – which are very good – and an outstanding value. Quality of life in Austin is a plus. Congratulations on your admission, and good luck!</p>

<p>Is this a question?</p>

<p>UT Plan II and don’t even look back.</p>

<p>UT Plan II for sure.</p>

<p>How much would it hurt your family to pay full sticker price? If they can do it without remortgaging and without raiding the retirement funds and without taking second jobs, I’d consider it. Otherwise, UT Plan II.</p>

<p>Go with UT, save your money for Med School.</p>

<p>I disagree with some of this advice, and not just because I am a big fan of Rice. There is a big difference between these two schools, and the OP might not be happy at all at such a large school as UT. Many, many pre-med students wind up changing their minds, and I think being at an undergrad school that is a good fit for you is as important as saving money for med school 4 years down the road when you might wind up on a completely different path. This is, of course, if the financial hardship isn’t too great. Rice offers a completely different college experience from UT- both are wonderful, but the same student might not be happy at both.</p>

<p>Definitely not even a question. As a current medical student who decided to go to Plan II over Rice, go Plan II and don’t look back! Plan II is a FEEDER for students into Texas (and other) medical schools, especially Southwestern. Just last weekend I had an attending Anesthesiologist ask what my major was at Texas and, when I told him Plan II, he practically did a back flip and said “clear the way for the genius!” It is so respected everywhere. I secretly laugh at all of the ivy league grads (but do not discount their great education) as I paid less then half price to get to the same place. MANY of my medical school friends look back and wish they had completed a major other than science, and Plan II is the way to do both. You will also NEVER feel “lost” in the large crowd at UT. Plan II has its own advisors (really its own everything) whose only job is to cater to their students. I cannot count how many upper level, restricted, extremely popular classes I got into just because I asked my Plan II advisor (on a walk in appointment no less…). Let alone the great advising for medical schools (because, like I said, A LOT of Plan II students go on to medical school). You will have outstanding recommendations, opportunities, fun, cookies, friends, football, and will not regret your choice of Plan II. And you are in Austin. Done and done.</p>

<p>Oh, and if you decide medical school is not for you while in college? Again…no better place than Plan II. The saying “the world is your oyster” is essentially the motto of Plan II. Disclaimer: the only reason I made an account on this site is to respond to your post (which was posted on an alumni board for Plan II on facebook). It is that great of a program. Congratulations!</p>

<p>Hey guys, thanks for all the responses. I’ve read through all the responses and also basically every other thread on CC concerning the issue of UT Plan II vs Rice (it actually seems to be quite a common dilemma). While the responses in this thread were heavily favored towards UT (probably because of the whole paying for medical school thing), most of the other threads were pretty balanced between the two schools. I remember one comment saying that “only Plan II alumni know what Plan II is” and that it would be difficult to explain a Plan II major in anywhere but Texas. I also talked to a friend of mine who chose Rice full-pay over UT with a $10k/year scholarship, and he said that it was worth it for him, because the quality and happiness of his undergraduate life was just so much better. He also said that Rice wasn’t super-competitive (he has a 4.08 GPA apparently), so I shouldn’t be worried about getting a lower GPA at Rice than I would at UT. Then again, there are concerns about being merely “average” at Rice while being “exceptional” at UT - for example, I’ve heard UT Plan II students get priority registration for classes while at Rice, priority is determined by seniority.</p>

<p>What I’ve decided to do now is go visit both schools over the course of the next couple of weeks and make my decision after I’ve experienced the atmospheres and academics of both schools. I’ll post an update after I’ve made my decision outlining my reasons so as to help any other prospective students who might be facing the same decision.</p>

<p>I know many doctors who went to each of these programs. You really need to decide which academic and social environment is best for you. They are very different, both excellent. It is true that in terms of cost, this is a no-brainer. If you are borrowing money for any part of your education, you will look back and wish you had made the choice that resulted in the least debt possible.</p>

<p>This is an old post, so no doubt you made your decision, just as I made mine when faced with your exact same situation 30 years ago. I chose Plan II and UT and am so very glad I did. Not only did I get a fantastic liberal arts education, but I also had all the resources of a major, world-class university to draw upon. Today I’m a college professor myself, much older, hopefully also a bit wiser…but I’d make the same decision (UT Plan II) over Rice in exactly the same way today.</p>

<p>" I also talked to a friend of mine who chose Rice full-pay over UT with a $10k/year scholarship, and he said that it was worth it for him, because the quality and happiness of his undergraduate life was just so much better. "</p>

<p>The decisions don’t fall the same way for everyone when money is involved in the equation.</p>

<p>Hi all, just wanted to update you all on my decision so I might be able to help other students who might be considering the same thing. After visiting both schools, I ended up deciding to go to Rice, for reasons I will discuss below.</p>

<p>I was a bit turned off by Plan II after attending their information session at UT as well as sitting in on a Plan II class, for a variety of reasons. First, while many people in Plan II double major and graduate in four years, the information session revealed that they count a “double major” as Plan II + another liberal arts major (like history, political science, English). People who complete “dual degrees” (Plan II + a non-LA major, like biology or physics) usually take five to six years to graduate. This meant that I would have to choose between doing physics or doing Plan II, as my parents (as well as I, personally) do not want to take more than four years to graduate. I also was not impressed with the quality of the UT natural sciences honors program I was accepted into (University Fellows), as it seems to be “honors” in name only - I would not get access to the same research opportunities that Dean’s Scholars get, nor would I get the same health science internships that Health Science Honors students get. Second, the one hour Plan II World Lit class I sat in on did not appeal to me that much. The students didn’t seem too interested in the class (there was a lot of lounging, tired eyes, blank expressions, etc.), and the discussion itself seemed pretty mundane. However, I was impressed by the professor, as well as the small class size (there were about 20ish people there). Perhaps it was just that one class - one of the students I talked to afterwards told me that he was sorry I had to sit through “a particularly boring discussion”. Third, I wasn’t too pleased with the “rigor” (or lack of) of the Plan II program. The same student I talked to earlier told me that basically everyone gets As in Plan II classes because the professors know all the students are really smart and work hard, so in a sense they all do deserve As. I wasn’t able to sit in on any other classes other than World Lit, so I can’t speak on how hard the other Plan II classes are, but I didn’t like how he said that Plan II students don’t really have to “work” for their grades. </p>

<p>Of course, those are all just the negatives of the Plan II program. I was still seriously considering UT at the end of my visit because the prospect of taking all-honors classes appealed to me (Plan II for humanities/social sciences and University Fellows Honors for natural sciences), and I really enjoyed the fact that UT felt so “alive” - there were a ton of people and a ton of booths and displays set up along the streets (for some kind of heritage awareness week). If needed, I could also drop my physics major and just do Plan II + Political Science, which I would enjoy (my parents would balk at me not taking a natural sciences major though, seeing as how I am premed).</p>

<p>However, my Rice visit just blew UT out of the water. The campus was just stunning - it was actually green, and there was actually shade, unlike UT’s industrial feel of brown and orange. The weather was beautiful, and I could see the towering buildings of the Texas Medical Center from the campus (they were literally right across the street). According to my friend who attends Rice, Rice students are always in demand for internships and research at the Medical Center, so there would be no difficulty in finding opportunities for a premed student. I was also impressed by the residential colleges and the fact that every student at Rice lived within a smaller community as well. I loved the traditions and quirks each residential college had as well as the fact that they replace what I consider the harmful elitist culture of fraternities and sororities. Walking through campus just by itself was extremely peaceful and idyllic, compared to the constant stream of cars and people that ran through UT’s campus.</p>

<p>In the end, however, I was still struggling to decide between UT and Rice. I know that undergraduate prestige does not factor in medical school admissions, but where you go to college does stay with you forever. I also felt that, while UT would be cheaper, Rice was a better value - I would be paying much more at Rice, but I would be getting much more in return (personalized attention, unlimited opportunities, unparalleled campus life). Ultimately, after one final discussion with my parents about finances and affordability, I decided on Rice and cannot wait to begin school there in the fall. I hope my information has been useful to those reading, and good luck to everyone else in their college searches and decisions!</p>

<p>That is an excellent write up and will help students in the future. Congrats on your choice and I know you will love Rice.</p>

<p>I hope your family can afford Med School after paying 52k a year for Rice.</p>