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UT and UNC are on par for business, but USC is in LA + trojan network = great for business
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<p>Much ado is made about the Trojan network but the reality is that the strength of the network is pretty much relegated to California -- mostly SoCal. Not too many others are impressed.</p>
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<p>USC (and UNC) are much more selective than UT (see data above). And i'm not sure what "resources" you're speaking of, but USC ranks 24th in Faculty Resources, while UT is 114th. Care to offer some specific "resources" that UT has that USC/UNC don't have?
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<p>Certainly! The fifth largest academic library in the US for starters, a rare book/manuscript library that only Harvard and Yale come anywhere close to matching, the largest university art museum in the US, the largest performing arts complex on a US campus, a presidential library, soon to be the fastest academic supercomputer in the world (while already having one of the top supercomputing centers in the US). I can't believe you're actually quoting the silly faculty resources number from USNWR, which penalizes economies of scale and rewards pure per capita numbers!</p>
<p>caricartel- You seem to have something against USC. Considering you're from California and know more about the reputation inside the state than I do, care to explain?</p>
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caricartel- You seem to have something against USC. Considering you're from California and know more about the reputation inside the state than I do, care to explain?
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<p>I suppose I should include a caveat that I'm a UCLA grad, which, admittedly is the source of the sort of visceral reaction everytime I hear those three letters in that order ;)
But seriously, while USC is a great school, from what I've seen and the people I've talked to, its prestige and "halo", if you will, are basically limited to the confines of California. I suppose my main issue is more with some of the proponents of the school - I don't have (too) many problems when they claim that it is on par with UCLA but when the comparisons to Berkeley and Stanford begin... well, I suppose those kinds of totally unfounded/unjustified and totally incorrect statements just eat at me.</p>
<p>JWT: As i expected, you've rattled off numerous resources that sound quite impressive, but have little to no effect on the quality of an undergraduates experience. I'm pretty confident there are no students who choose their colleges based upon relative sizes of academic libraries.</p>
<p>I wouldn't trade 120 SAT points (difference between USC and UT's median SATs) for a presidential library and a supercomputer any day of the week.</p>
<p>Calicartel: Although we're both biased, you're not incorrect in stating the Trojan network is mostly confined to California. Although USC has networks in every city in America, the network is certainly strongest in CA. However, it's just as large in Norcal (specifically San Francisco) as it is down south. Personally, I landed an full-time investment banking job in SF through USC connections. So, the "trojan network" is no joke.</p>
<p>Also, I agree that any comparisons to Stanford are pretty absurd, but at the undergraduate level i consider USC, UCLA, and Berkeley to be relatively on par with each other. Berkeley has world-class graduate programs that make it an overall stronger university than USC or UCLA, but in terms of undergraduate education, i consider all three schools to be fairly comparable.</p>
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I wouldn't trade 120 SAT points (difference between USC and UT's median SATs) for a presidential library and a supercomputer any day of the week.
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<p>Well that's the problem right there.</p>
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<p>The most recent USNWR rankings were from 1996, but UT certainly was no slouch in journalism either:</p>
<h1>Journalism School Rankings - US News & World Report Rankings (1996)</h1>
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<li> Univ. of Missouri at Columbia </li>
<li> Columbia University (N.Y.) </li>
<li> Northwestern Univ. (Medill) (Ill.) </li>
<li> Univ. of N.C. at Chapel Hill </li>
<li> Indiana Univ. at Bloomington </li>
<li> University of Florida </li>
<li> Ohio University (Scripps) </li>
<li> Univ. of Wisconsin at Madison </li>
<li> Univ. of California at Berkeley </li>
<li> University of Kansas (White) </li>
<li> Univ. of Md. at College Park </li>
<li> University of Texas at Austin </li>
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<p>Plus there are some very noteworthy UT journalism alumni:</p>
<p>Walter Cronkite
Bill Moyers
Paul Begala (Crossfire co-host and former advisor for Bill Clinton)
Liz Smith
Liz Carpenter
Karen Elliot House (former publisher of the Wall Street Journal)
Willie Morris (youngest editor in history of Harper's)
Gail Caldwell (Pulitzer Prize winner and chief book critic at The Boston Globe)
Berke Breathed
John Moore (photojournalist, Pulitzer Prize winner for the Associated Press coverage in Iraq and currently working for Getty Images)
Karen Tumulty (journalist, Time National Political Correspondent)</p>
<p>Considering Columbia doesn't have an undergrad journalism major.. I'm assuming that's for grad schools :)</p>
<p>^^ There was an undergrad program in 1935. But then they dropped it.</p>
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Certainly! The fifth largest academic library in the US for starters, a rare book/manuscript library that only Harvard and Yale come anywhere close to matching, the largest university art museum in the US, the largest performing arts complex on a US campus, a presidential library, soon to be the fastest academic supercomputer in the world (while already having one of the top supercomputing centers in the US).
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well, if you're going to cite "resources" as things largely unused by the undergraduate population...USC already has the 5th fastest supercomputer in academia, limited only by the size of the building that contains it...which is why they're moving the computer to a facility where they can add more processors. USC also has the Warner Bros. studio archive from 1918-1968, the largest archive of its kind in the world. in its digital archives USC has video interviews of 50,000+ Holocaust survivors as a means of visual history. </p>
<p>as for the size of the library system, it's one of the top 35 amongst United States universities. it's not 5th largest, but chances are you won't notice a couple spots on the list, considering there are hundreds of great universities in the US to begin with.</p>
<p>besides...a presidential library sure sounds great on paper, but besides that, how practical is it, really? i don't feel like i'm missing out (i suppose if i really wanted, LA's a short drive away from Simi Valley and Reagan's Library). and seeing, as i already mentioned, that USC has one of the fastest supercomputers in academia soon-to-be faster, that's not much of an issue either.</p>
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Just an aside on that note - one of the astounding things about UT's Ransom Center is the sheer breadth and depth of its collections. Aside from some of the most important British, French, Italian, and American literary manuscript collections in the world, there are also world renowned photography (including the first ever taken - France, 1826), film and performing arts collections. UT may not have the Warner Bros. archive, but it does have other very impressive film collections, such as the David O. Selznick archive, an extremely important "Golden Age" of Hollywood collection documenting every major person, studio, and event during (arguably) the most important era in Hollywood's history. And then just in the past year alone, UT has acquired a major Woody Allen archive and Robert DeNiro's entire collection. Considering Austin's removal from Hollywood, this is as impressive as what its been able to accomplish with British literary manuscripts. The other fact that makes this all the more impressive is that as great as the Ransom Center is in the eyes of scholars around the world, it is only one such resource on campus. The Benson Latin American collection is one of the largest Latin American book/manuscripts archives in the world in its own right and both institutions make a point of not competing with each other for the same resources, so instead they complement each other and give UT the benefit of both. And the Blanton Art museum collects its own art as well, without competing with the Ransom. This is a primary reason UT is unmatched in this regard - other universities may have superior collections in smaller specialized areas, but there really aren't any that have the same quality over as many diverse areas.</p>
<p>^ i wouldn't argue with you that UT has immense collections, probably larger and better than many of USC's, but that doesn't really change the fact that it shouldn't and won't seriously influence the choice of a school for undergrad. at any school of this caliber, the collections should be adequate enough for anything you need to do. i think for most collections at any university, there just isn't enough practicality for most undergrads to explore or make good use of them anyways.</p>
<p>and let there be no doubt about USC's collections, they are quite broad...when i say the WB studio archive from 1918-1968, it really isn't that specific...you have to consider that this is an entire movie studio's output for half a century, no less a huge studio. add to that the rest of the massive (possibly unmatched) film library, which is surprisingly accessible to students (granted, cinema students but it's really easy to make friends with them :p).</p>
<p>hmm Looks like I'll be going to UNC! Got a nice scholarship :) :)</p>
<p>annn: Congratulations! :)</p>
<p>congratulations.. UNC is a great school, hope you do well!</p>