<p>I applied to 12 other schools, since I got deferred from Penn.</p>
<p>All this elitist BS, just because they want Harvard and Princeton's rejects. I wasted hundreds of dollars applying, buying stamps, sending SATs. Just because they want to wait.</p>
<p>I understand where they (and every other top college in the country) are coming from, but the whole system is dumb. Either all colleges should have ED (preferably), or none.</p>
<p>And now I wait until April.</p>
<p>I'm in the same boat and I agree with you completely.</p>
<p>Is that really why we were all deferred..? =(</p>
<p>The majority of us, yes. Absolutely.</p>
<p>Everyone else...just not good enough.</p>
<p>Hope you're in the first category. I'm pretty sure I am, and that's what ****es me off.</p>
<p>i did QuestBridge College Match, and i still have to wait till April
Good luck to all you guys</p>
<p>Haha I highly doubt they deferred you because they want to pick up all of the Harvard and Princeton dropouts... They probably just think that you have some good qualities to add to there student body, but maybe not enough, therefore they want to see what other kids have to offer them. It's not just about numbers.... but money, on the other hand, has A LOT to do with it. lol</p>
<p>islander08: Have you seen the number of deferrals this year? Tons of people at my school (mind you, this is a high-quality private school) have gotten deferred, in record numbers. It's no coincidence.</p>
<p>Have you seen the record number of applicants this year? I would say that it's a cause and effect relationship... Penn is not "hoping" to get Harvard and Princeton rejects, trust me.... They probably just didn't like something they saw in your application, but be optimistic, you still have a chance</p>
<p>Other people were deferred because the admissions committee thought they were "just not good enough," but you got deferred for some other reason? I don't quite understand why you think you got deferred.</p>
<p>Also, lol @ Penn only wanting Princeton and Harvard's rejects. A good portion of the people who got accepted to Penn didn't apply to either of those schools. You got deferred, it's not the end of the world. You still have a chance so suck it up.</p>
<p>In fact, NickBarr, EVERYONE who got accepted to Penn ED did not apply to Princeton or Harvard.</p>
<p>I know I have a chance. It's just irritating that I have to wait. "I don't quite understand"? Read the entire thread.</p>
<p>Welcome to life. Not everything is going to go your way. Something about your app didn't stack up with the rest of the ED applicants, so they put you in the regular decision pool. Too bad, good luck in April. It's not like you're the only person who spent a lot of money getting your app together and it's not like you're the only person who has to wait until April, so get over it.</p>
<p>Also, if you're implying that we're all Princeton and Harvard's rejects because we didn't apply to those schools, **** off.</p>
<p>For starters, I'm the same person as wharton2012 but I decided I shouldn't get too attached to one school. </p>
<p>Also there is no reason to get ****ed off at Viva.</p>
<p>Everything I am about to say comes from an experiences college counselor who keeps in touch with many people in many top tier school admissions offices. </p>
<p>Disclaimer: Everything I'm about to say is a very educated guess. No colleges ever tell the truth in this game anyways. Guesses are pretty much all we have.</p>
<p>Since Harvard, Princeton, Virginia, and Rice dropped their early programs this put close to 7,000 - 8,000 kids in the early pool for other schools. This accounts for the massive increases in applications that Chicago and Georgetown received. An admissions officer at Stanford said that the actual size of the applicant pool didn't increase but the quality did and as a result they accepted 15%, deferred 15%, and flat out rejected 70%. Remember this is their most qualified applicant pool. The theory is that many schools are taking the kids that they know they will accept for sure in the regular round early. For example recruited athletes, big money legacy, under-represented minorities, hooked kids, etc. Also, since so many kids did early programs this year it is very likely that the regular pool may not be as strong as it was in previous years and may actually become less competitive than the early pool resulting in more deferred kids being taken regular.</p>
<p>Many of us are looking at the thread of people who got in early at Penn and are wondering what the hell? Why wasn't I accepted? Next time you go through that thread notice the amount of athletes, URM, international, and hooked students. Thats something the rest of us didn't have. It gives me hope that they've taken so many of these kids early so therefore may be able to focus on academic kids in the regular decisions as their recruiting and diversity priorities have previously been accounted for in the early round.</p>
<p>To all of you who continually make excuses for why you were deferred/rejected:</p>
<p>Have you ever the possibility that maybe you just weren't good enough for the school? I mean honestly, do not take things personally but these schools take the cream of the crop. It does not mean you suck at school nor at life, it also doesn't show your value as a person. But the school just didn't want you. If you got deferred you still have a chance so don't worry. And also, have you thought about this possibility. These ivy league institutions have already gained tons of prestige, therefore maybe they have stopped looking for perfect 2400 SAT scorers, and 4.0 GPA kids, but rather those students who are more well rounded, and will add more to the campus. I believe schools right behind the ivies, such as Notre Dame, are the ones looking to gain prestige and just accepting more and more students based solely on numbers.... But anyways you got rejected because you just weren't good enough, and you got deferred because you were seen as "Ok". But just deal with it</p>
<p>It's not so much people trying to make excuses as to why they were not accepted that irks me. What really bothers me is when those same people try to project their negativity onto those who did get in and throw them under the bus.</p>
<p>Island and Nick Barr, you guys seriously need to go screw yourselves.</p>
<p>The point is that 90% of the kids who apply to these schools are highly qualified. The admissions process is inherently unfair and as a result it causes frustration and kids looking for possible reasons for their denials or deferrals.</p>
<p>You two experts should know that schools of this caliber are not recruiting the most talented all round kids but are essentially building a college community. </p>
<p>Oh, and NickBarr, its not throwing people under the bus. Its reality. So to hell with political correctness. Its a known fact that things such as living in a single parent home, being an URM, and being legacy does SIGNIFICANTLY increase chances of admissions at an Ivy League school. This dosen't mean that they're weaker applicant. In many cases they can be as strong if not stronger than the average of the entire applicant pool. They just have something that stands out about the difficulty of their lives. Honestly, it cant even be controlled. No one chooses what kind of house to be born into. </p>
<p>Oh, and islanders08, you pompous ass, its not because the people who were rejected were "not good enough" and the people who got deferred were not "just seen as ok." The truth is that they (me included) simply didn't fit what the college was looking for. </p>
<p>It's not negativity Nick, its reality.</p>
<p>Islander, explain to me why the "cream of the crop" often get rejected from these places. We've all heard stories about that happening.</p>
<p>In conclusion, think before you talk. And if you decide to talk, for god's sake, back it up.</p>
<p>One more thing.
You guys really need to understand where Viva and myself are coming from.</p>
<p>Nick congratulations on getting in and islander you haven't even been a part of the Penn early decision process.</p>
<p>Neither of you have faced the disappointment of a deferral or a rejection. Many students fixate themselves on a school like Penn and call it their dream school and a deferral or rejection throws people on an emotional roller coaster. You guys can't possibly imagine it.</p>
<p>wow....what a thread</p>
<p>Haha listen to the words you say linkin.... So if you didn't "fit into what the college was looking for" what do you consider that??? I certainly see that as not qualified/good enough for the school. Oh, maybe you got rejected because you were good enough, but somehow they didn't want you.... That doesn't make sense, therefore I think you should go screw yourself.Think about it. What your saying completely contradicts your refute to my argument... And I think many people on this website, including yourself have a misconception about the cream of the crop. You all see a 2400 SAT, 4.0 GPA kid as the best.... But truly put yourself in an adcoms position... Who wants to fill a school with "nerdy" kids.... I certainly wouldn't want to. I would want my school to have some character.... And there really can't be any argument against my telling you that the cream of the crop gets in, because is there a universal definition of cream of the crop? No, not that I am aware of... But if one does happen to exist, please correct me....</p>
<p>And I'm a pompous ass? Haha, your a vilified student who's looking for an explanation to why Penn didn't accept you, and blame it on a so-called "unfair system"... Haha... You didn't get in, but you still have a chance. Life goes on man... stop dwelling and searching for explanations that don't exist... THEY DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE GOOD ENOUGH</p>
<p>I've got my dream school linkin... and if I don't get in, I'm not going to let it eat at me for the rest of my life.... Learn how to move on. Your going to get a great education somewhere else... LIFE'S NOT FAIR SOMETIMES</p>
<p>No ****, islanders, I agree with almost everything you say. But you misinterpret "what the college was looking for." It has nothing to do with character in my opinion. Judging character after reading two essays and a bunch of numbers within 10 minutes is hardly possible. I mean the university is looking for say somebody who plays some kind of unique instrument, or some kind of athlete. If these kinds of things make one qualified for a school like Penn and not 12 years of hard work and dedication to go as far as you can in academics while involving yourself in numerous "average" activities, don't you think that makes the process unfair?</p>
<p>Sure, life isn't fair all the time. Racial discrimination wasn't fair. If MLK sat on his ass and said sucks, life isn't fair then history would be a little bit different. So basically you're a laid back kind of guy who's too weak to reach out in life and grab whatever you want.</p>
<p>I'm vilified? It's the trash talking towards Viva by you and Nick that got me ****ed off and posting on this thread. Don't even man.</p>
<p>Sure, ill get a good education somewhere else, and life goes on but that dosen't mean you have to argue for a system that is inherently flawed.</p>