UVA and William and Mary *In State

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>Weighted GPA-3.75
Unweighted-3.7</p>

<p>(Really Hard Grading Scale...94-100/4.0; 90-93/3.5;84-90/3.0;80-83/2.5)</p>

<p>AP classes get a .5 gpa boost</p>

<p>AP BIO-5
AP US-4
AP ENVIRO--(in progress)
AP STATS--
AP GOV--
AP SPANISH--
AP ENGLISH LIT--</p>

<p>Fairfax County Public Schools*</p>

<p>SAT-2050
reading-720
writing-700
math-630</p>

<p>satII-(for uva) yet to be taken
probably around 750 for bio and 680-700 for us history)</p>

<p>1 year jv tennis
2 years varsity tennis
3 years spanish national honors society
NHS this year
Mock trial sophomore year</p>

<p>sooooo....</p>

<p>I'm applying to UVA, WM,(VT as my safety)</p>

<p>what do you think?</p>

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<p>Balls!</p>

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<p>hmm...im gonna say slight reach for both just cause satss seem to be in 50th percentile...and ec's seem a bit low...but competitive applicant and in state should be a plus</p>

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<p>what race are you?</p>

<p>your EC's are so-so. your SATs are decent, because they are in the range, but they could still be improved (espec. the math).</p>

<p>by the way, what school do you go to? i'm near NOVA too.</p>

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<p>yeah..I know my ec's are poor</p>

<p>the sat is as high as it's going to get</p>

<p>white male (jewish...but that means nothing)</p>

<p>I am wretched at math</p>

<p>but...</p>

<p>I've heard WM is easier than UVA to get into but I'm probably reaching for both right?...just a little more for UVA.</p>

<p>what about VT...is that a safe bet for my safety?</p>

<p>These are the only 3 schools I'm going to apply to I think.</p>

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<p>yeah, i'm very sure you'd be able to get into VT. i know people a lot less qualified who have gotten in, so i don't see why you couldn't either.</p>

<p>i guess uva does hold more prestige than W&M, but the average SAT scores of W&M are higher. but you're very benefited by being in-state.</p>

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<p>Should be ok for Tech. May want to apply to JMU as well. W&M has higher SAT scores and lower admit ratio than UVA. Prestige is eye of beholder.</p>

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<p>so amusing doctorb :-)</p>

<p>in any case, just throught i'd throw out there that w&m's entering 25-75 dropped this year from 1280-1430 to 1260-1420, while UVa's 25-75 rose from 1220-1430 to 1280-1490 ;-). so much for w&m having higher SAT averages.</p>

<p><em>finger bite</em></p>

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<p>hey... fairfax co does not have a crazy grading scale. 25% of kids going to UVa come from fairfax so it's okay.
mind to tell me which school are you in?</p>

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<p>jags-</p>

<p>I stand corrected on stats. First time in 20 yrs, but nonetheless true. New President is focused on admitting more students from not so privileged backgrounds so is expected standerdized test scores would drop accordingly. </p>

<p>Admit rate still lower at W&M. As far as prestige, when your most famous alum is someone other than perky Katie Couric or former Sen Maccaca Allen, then you will have an argument there as well.</p>

<p>Hope you are amused.</p>

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<p>Because you're a guy and you're in-state, I think you're in.</p>

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<p>doctab,</p>

<p>as for underpivelidged, uva is also admitting more underpiveleged. access uva-basicly full rides to all families making below $40k a year.</p>

<p>as for admit rates - i never put much stock in them. remember, pensacola christian college has a lower admit rate than uchicago - but since when was pensacola christian college more selective than chicago.</p>

<p>as for alumni - i think the 18 senators and ceos of proctor and gamble, cnet (as well as founder), at&t, yahoo, and pepsi (not to mention the president of nasdaq) can handle the alumni load.</p>

<p>what has w&m put out besides presidents and congressmen from the 18th century (when there was only...harvard and w&m) and john stewart?</p>

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<p>We have some pretty polarized viewpoints here, but to be fair:</p>

<p>Alumni:</p>

<p>UVA-- Among those who attended the University can be counted Olympic athletes, U.S. senators, best-selling novelists, business leaders, movie and television producers, and diplomats. Go to the link for the complete, exhaustive list</p>

<p><a href="http://www.virginia.edu/notablealumni/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.virginia.edu/notablealumni/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>W and M-- Notable alums include Thomas Jefferson, John Marshall, James Monroe, John Tyler, Gen. Winfield Scott, and Robert Gates (nominated to replace Rumsfeld as Sec'y of Defense)</p>

<p>Selectivity: (Class of 2010)</p>

<p>UVA-- Admissions rate (these adm. rate is one year old): 39%, Range SAT: 1280-1490</p>

<p>W and M-- Admissions rate (the adm. rate is a year old): 34%, Range SAT: 1280-1430</p>

<p>Financial Aid:</p>

<p>UVA is much better in this category. William and Mary only gives 4 total scholarships (not including the Monroe Scholars, which is not a significant amount of money)- 2 of their Murray Scholarships are reserved for in-state students and 2 for OOS.</p>

<p>By the way, jags, pertaining to your quip about W and M notable grads only being from an era where Harvard and W and M were the only schools available- The first President W and M "put out" was Jefferson (late 1770s), when there were actually 9 notable colleges:</p>

<p>-Harvard College (Harvard University)
-The College of William and Mary
-Collegiate School (Yale University)
-College of New Jersey (Princeton University)
-Academy of Philadelphia (University of Pennsylvania)
-King's College (Columbia University in the City of New York)
-College of Rhode Island (Brown University)
-Queen's College (Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey)
-Dartmouth College</p>

<p>Anyway, the bottom line: Both colleges are rooted in tradition, have great academics, and have produced prominent grads.</p>

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<p>Correction to the above: Jefferson graduated in 1762</p>

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<p>MiketheMench-</p>

<p>W&M has had higher average and median SAT scores that UVa for the past 10-20 years. The Cavalier above is apparently using 2006 or OOS SAT ranges above for UVa and 2005 SAT or in-state statistics for W&M. Ask any guidance counselor in Virginia and they will tell you that W&M is the harder admit (more than 10,000 applications per year for ~1,250 spots). In fact, W&M has the lowest acceptance rate for OOS undergrad applicants in the South at 20% (Duke is 21% and Georgetown is 22%). W&M's contemporary alumni are a veritable who's who of government, arts, academic and business leaders but they don't blow their horn on this subject like UVa. Some examples are Michael Powell (ex head of the FCC), Glenn Close, Scott Glenn, Perry Ellis, Mark McCormack, Walter Zable, Linda Lavin, Robert Gates, Jon Stewart, James Comey, etcetera.</p>

<p>As for "prestige," that depends on your definition. If you value a school by its sports program, then UVa has more prestige. If you value a school by its historical substance and academic rigor then W&M wins hands down. The fact that the school is the second oldest in the US and produced 3-4 presidents is pretty tough to beat and it is undiminishable. Remember, Jefferson was a W&M alumn. So was the founder of MIT.</p>

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<p>Here are the stats for the 2006 entering classes:</p>

<p>UVa (1325 SAT average)
W&M (1360 SAT median)</p>

<p>Here are the links to confirm:</p>

<p>Virginia:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/data_digest/adm_total.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/data_digest/adm_total.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>William & Mary: </p>

<p><a href="http://premium.hoovers.com/subscribe/co/factsheet.xhtml?ID=rfkjthfkckjttyx%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://premium.hoovers.com/subscribe/co/factsheet.xhtml?ID=rfkjthfkckjttyx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>This "25-75" range stuff is misleading.</p>

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<p>"n fact, W&M has the lowest acceptance rate for OOS undergrad applicants in the South at 20% (Duke is 21% and Georgetown is 22%)."</p>

<p>Are you sure about this? I'm guessing UNC-CH's is way lower.</p>

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<p>Hi everyone, do you think I have a chance to get into either school with
GPA(same grading scale as OP): 3.83uw (9-11) 3.73uw(7-11)
SAT: 1290/1600 (730math, 560cr, 620w)
5 APs by the time I graduate. I took 1 last year(Calc AB, a 5 in the test if it matters) because my counselor thought my english was so bad that I couldn't read the textbook -,-. I'm taking 4 this year(Calc BC, Bio, Chem, Psych). 3.7weighted in the 1st quarter because I started to slack off but i will pick up real quick.</p>

<p>other stuffs:
1. Proficient at one Chinese Musical instrument(school orch: consecutive prize winning, regional).
2. Red Cross Youth(kinda like scout but more paramedical oriented) and have achieved the highest level of First aid certificate.
3. Volunteer 200+ hours in hospital (4 hours per week)
4. Work in a medical lab (15-20 hours per week)
5. One varsity sport last year(scholar athelete award, which is kinda stupid), but I quit this year due to increasing courseload.</p>

<p>and...
5. I'm an asian(I know this sucks but it's true)
6. my first language is Chinese. I came here last year summer. I know 3 spoken languages of Chinese. the school I attended was probably the best boys' school from where I came, sending 30+ students each year to top-notch schools in US/UK (mostly UK though).</p>

<p>Guess where I came from.</p>

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<p>^^^You need to get the CR up into the mid 600s at least, I would say.</p>

<p>Also, you're a guy, which helps. Are you also in state?</p>

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<p>mascuile,</p>

<p>straight off uva and w&m's admissions website. </p>

<p>entering class of 2010 profile <a href="http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadmission/profile.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadmission/profile.html&lt;/a>
16,300 applications
6,023 offers of admissions
3,113 students enrolling
88% top 10% of class
1280-1490 middle half of class SAT I</p>

<p>w&m right off its website<br>
<a href="http://www.wm.edu/admission/?id=3154%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.wm.edu/admission/?id=3154&lt;/a>
"more than" (which i'm assuming is like 80.something) 80% top 10%
middle 50% SATs 1260-1420</p>

<p>Average SAT score - probably lower at UVa because they accept a lot of athletes who probably didn't score well. I'm not making excuses for that, but I also don't think it matters. a case can be made that while the top 25% of students are equally as strong at both schools, the 25-75 tells us that the middle 50% at least scored better at UVa than at W&M.</p>

<p>also, please stop quoting the "lowest OOS acceptance rate in the south." For 1, its not, UNC-CH has that - which people have told you numerous times. for 2, thats like the stupidest thing to be proud of. I might as well say "well UVa has the lowest acceptance rate of half jamaican half american indian students in the mid atlantic regions." Obviously w&m's admissions rate is goign to be lower because it gets more applications per spot than UVa does. However, it should be noted that many more people choose to go to UVa who are accepted than at w&m.</p>

<p>also, my quip about the only being 2 schools was meant to be somewhat facetious. however, if you want to get very serious about it, when there are only 8 schools to choose from, and only 1 thats anywhere near you (before cars, before railroads), its much easier to have all those famous people from virginia attend.</p>