<p>LukeNessMonster: Thanks for advice. I'm trying to pull CR up to 600, but I'm still struggling. I'm also in state.</p>
<p>just a random question. Why do I have advantage because I'm a guy?</p>
<p>Jags861-</p>
<p>Everybody in Virginia knows that W&M has had the higher averages, medians and 25-75 ranges for the past 10-20 years. Comparing 2006 UVa SAT stats to 2005 W&M ones won't change that. From what I can see, the UVa distribution is skewed down in the first deviation below its mean leading to an average score of 1325 whereas W&M's distribution is a bit more normal leading to an average of 1360. I'm sure the upper range at W&M will be higher than 1490 when they release the 2006 entering stats. Also, W&M's high school rank number was distorted this year by a phase-in of a new policy at certain high schools that W&M draws from to not report rank. Before this phase-in, W&M's number was typically around 89%.</p>
<p>As for the OOS number, this is a very valid measure of quality that is used to compare certain elite publics to peer group privates. Unfortunately, I've never seen the UNC OOS number published anywhere so I'm gonna have to chalk that up to heresay. I know this frustrates you as does the fact that W&M is the only Colonial College in the South but these are facts that cannot be discounted. Sorry.</p>
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just a random question. Why do I have advantage because I'm a guy?
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<p>Here's why:</p>
<p>2005-2006 Admissions Statistics</p>
<p>Male applicants:
4,006
Male acceptances:
1,596
Male freshman enrollment:
628</p>
<p>Female applicants:
6,604
Female acceptances:
1,696
Female freshman enrollment:
716</p>
<p>From U.S. News and World Report 2007 Edition (online)</p>
<p>I hate when this happens......................William and Mary and UVA are both great schools. Am I the only one who feels that each school appeals to a different group of students. Some of my best friends go to UVA and I love it there. I just felt William and Mary was more of a match for my personality and goals. Why is there this sometimes bitter debate? It's like splitting hairs to see which one is truly "the best". And in most cases, it's a matter of opinion. Virginian's have such great choices for in-state colleges at every level, in both public and private. Let's put this to bed.</p>
<p>For fall 2005, here's the apples to apples comparison:</p>
<p>UVa (source: Common Data Set, online at
<a href="http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/cds/cds.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/cds/cds.htm</a>)
% in top Decile: 86%
% Students w/ Rank: 52%
SAT 25th percentile - 75th percentile
SAT Verbal 600-710
SAT Math 620-720</p>
<p>WM (source: Common Data Set, online at <a href="http://www.wm.edu/ir/common_dataset.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.wm.edu/ir/common_dataset.htm</a>)
% in top Decile: 79%
% Students w/ Rank: 50%
SAT 25th percentile - 75th percentile
SAT Verbal 630-730
SAT Math 630-710</p>
<p>Let's wait until UVa and W&M post their official Common Data Sets later this year before getting carried away with snippets from the respective admissions websites. With all due respect, those numbers are not official.</p>
<p>macsuille,</p>
<p>the 25-75 ranges for w&m are for the class of 2010....if you just looked at the link i provided you would see that w&m's sat scores actually dropped this year.</p>
<p>nor do i care if w&m is a colonial college. there are a bunch of non-colonial colleges which are better than uva and w&m.</p>
<p>hey do you guys know UVa also takes only the best composite to account? I know W&M is.</p>
<p>oh and if you looked at unc's website, macsuille, you'd see this
<a href="http://admissions.unc.edu/faq/applying.htm%5B/url%5D">http://admissions.unc.edu/faq/applying.htm</a>
11,000 oos applicants, 2100 accepted = 19.1% acceptance rate.</p>
<p>also, w&m's top 10% has never "usually been 89%". look for yourself at the past CDSs for w&m. 1997 - 71% top 10%, 1998 - 74%, 1999 - 79%, 2000 - 74%, 2001 - 83%. 79% isn't exactly "off."</p>
<p>CR,</p>
<p>i'm pretty sure UVa and W&M both use best combined.</p>
<p>Jags861-</p>
<p>That link to the admissions webpage is unofficial and unqualified. Let's wait for the official CDS release. It does appear, though, that UVa bolstered its numbers this year by accepting 37% OOS students instead of the 33% that W&M accepted. This may get them into trouble with Richmond.</p>
<p>That Colonial College thing really gets under your skin. It is undiminishable when one considers that the four original US colleges were Harvard, W&M, Yale and Princeton. That's brand equity and company that Duke and Stanford will never have. Sorry. </p>
<p>Looks like UNC is negligibly lower than W&M (19% vs. 22%) but the UNC applicant pool is typically less impressive than W&Ms. In other words, SATs from the UNC OOS cohort probably average below 1400 whereas W&Ms are above that number.</p>
<p>macsuile,</p>
<p>regardless of what your opinion is of what your own schools admissions page says - i simply state facts. that is what william and mary and uva posted. i'm sure that when the cds comes out they will reflect what the admissions profile that the admissions office posts... also, i'm curious where you get this 37% and 33% numbers from. Also, even if you go by past statistics, UVa's marginally lower SAT scores can easily be justified by the fact that it has a marginally higher %tage of students in the top 10% of their class.</p>
<p>the colonial college thing doesn't matter. i don't know why you think it "gets under my skin." rutgers is a colonial college and i don't see that doing much for them. as if the people at schools like stanford, mit, cornell, etc. care if they are colonial colleges. practically no one even knows what a colonial college is. hinging onto an obscure fact doesn't mean much to anybody...except you.</p>
<p>yes, UNC's overall applicant pool is slightly less impressive than w&m's, but UNC's OOS applicant pool is well known as being very prestigious and selective. If you have nothing to back up your claims then don't. UNC's OOS applicants and especially acceptees are extremely qualified. Also, I love how when UNC has a lower acceptance rate (19% vs. 22%) its "negligibly lower" and "less impressive" but when its 22% vs. 23% or 24% (which is overall, not OOS) of duke or gtown its "the lowest oos acceptance rate in the south" even though gtown (which really isn't the south) and dukes student body is more impressive that w&m's. you may not be consistent with your arguments, but you are comical.</p>
<p>does being a native hawaiian/pacific islander benifit in any way? i know being asian is a big disadvantage and other minoirity races other htan asian are all benifits</p>
<p>i don't think being hawaiin will hurt you, but it certainly won'thelp.</p>