<p>phi psi, i see...............</p>
<p>dtd, hahaha.</p>
<p>whats so funny about dtd, lol?</p>
<p>i personally think the funniest frat story is still the hall and the email (which they won't get into any trouble for).</p>
<p>yes, the hall's story is a classic.</p>
<p>delta tau delta is officially suspended hahahaha. that's so funny. it's kinda sad that the guys are still proud enough to wear the shirts these days despite the incident.</p>
<p>isnt rape stealing?</p>
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<p>No, it isn't.</p>
<p>And that's why such traditional honor codes pose problems to issues like rape which is more prevalent in these modern times... You could see rape as secretly "stealing" one's will of resisiting from being raped. This is why Honor is stupid, because they have their own definitions of what counts as cheating, stealing, or lying. To steal a friend's pencil for example is probably a joke to the honor committee if such a case is reported, as opposed to stealing university property.</p>
<p>No, no, no. The Honor Committee does not use these bizarre, abstract definitions of lying, cheating and stealing. It's not "stupid". Stealing a friend's pencil would be a joke because it wouldn't meet the criterion of non-triviality. Stealing a valuable piece of University property, on the other hand, would meet the criterion of non-triviality. </p>
<p>You seem fairly ignorant about the workings of the Honor system and the Judicial Committee at UVA, tenniscraze. If you or anyone else here would like to learn more, I can direct you towards helpful resources.</p>
<p>lol, I think you'd be hard pressed to find an Honor Code at any school to have anything like that. I've already posted this in this topic- generally there are other ways for these kinds of cases to go through. For UVA, it's through UJC (standard of conduct #1 I believe). The standards by which cases go through the Honor Committee has been passed and established by the student body. There are by-laws, if you even know what that means.</p>
<p>But I guess we should start incorporating it under the Honor Code. I suppose we could start charging rapists in U.S. court of stealing as well?</p>
<p>I'm not ignorant. I'm just saying that the honor system poses failures to draw the line between what is trivial and what isn't. There are plenty of people here who cheat without being caught by the Honor committee. Plus, most of the professors I talk to believe that everyone should be given a second chance, no matter how seriously the person cheats.</p>
<p>lol, once again you fail to understand anything. Triviality actually has a definition to it. Like cav said, there's no bizarre and arbitrary standard to each case.</p>
<p>The Honor Committee isn't out to 'catch' people. Cases are reported and generally decided by randomly selected student jurors.</p>
<p>Just because you talk to a bunch of professors from whatever you're studying doesn't mean that's the way everyone thinks.</p>
<p>haha, and i suppose we should stop charging people from stealing pencils at department stores too then!</p>
<p>***, now you're resorting to not even making sense. This is done.</p>
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<p>I didn't say that you were ignorant in the broad sense. I said that w.r.t. the Honor system, you are. The system has not, thus far, had major difficulty in distinguishing trivial offenses from non-trivial offenses. The standards for bringing a case to trial and to convicting an accused student of an offense on act, intent and triviality are surprisingly rigorous.</p>
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<p>I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. There are plenty of people who get away with murder and other crimes in the United States - should we have a legal system?</p>
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<p>You've been a victim of a small and imperfect sample. In fact, most professors at the University exhibit some sort of support for the Honor system, according to recent surveys.</p>
<p>No, you fail to understand that it's hard to draw the line between triviality and nontriviality. Triviality cannot be subjected to definitions because that's when things just get more controversial and subject to so much debate on all sides. You should take Anth225 with Handler to be educated in this issue. Or better yet, email him.</p>
<p>Lolz, maybe we should just have no rules, huh?</p>
<p>The definition was passed by the student body, and that was what matters. Honor is not making up some BS definition on its own just to p iss people off.</p>
<p>Though I wasn't aware that it was possible to learn anything in an ANTH class.</p>
<p>Once again, I never said that it created definitions to **** people off. Its definitions have the potential to create so much controversy, which is the problem. </p>
<p>Haha, and look who's the ignorant one here, thinking that it is possible to learn "more" things in one field compared to another. When you think of things this way, you're just giving in to stereotypes.</p>
<p>Did you learn that in your ANTH class too?</p>
<p>Maybe :) (10 char)</p>