<p>Terrible summary. No offense.</p>
<p>Sure. But I've spent a lot of time at all of them, and that pretty much sums it up.</p>
<p>Ok. (10 char)</p>
<p>I certainly didn't meet any depressed people while visiting W&M. To the contrary, everyone seemed very happy, friendly, etc. Why do you say everyone there is depressed?</p>
<p>Uva is prolly more nationally recognized school. If you wanted to work somewhere outside of Virginia im guessin that a UVa degree would travel much further than a W&M degree. but im not sure its just my opinion</p>
<p>"Let me summarize the Virginia schools for everyone...</p>
<p>If you want to have the typical college experience, apply to JMU. If you want a kick-dick education, go to UVA, but be warned there are a lot of jerks and snobs in the undergrad program. If you want to be seriously depressed all the time, go to W&M. If you want a crappy education and to hang out with crack dealers every night, goto CNU. If you want a good education, but still want to hang out with crack dealers, go to VCU. If you like football and mechanical engineering, go to VT. If you like artsy stuff and traffic, go to GMU. If you like sexually transmitted diseases, go to Radford. If you want to meet friends who will make you incredibly wealthy, go to Washington and Lee. If you want to go to heaven and like having the same freedoms as North Korean prisoners of war, go to Liberty Univeristy."</p>
<p>If I only knew this sooner. I can now narrow down my college choices to Washington and Lee and Liberty University. I really want to get into Heaven but I'm not sure about the POW thing. Being rich sounds pretty good though. I think I'll apply to VCU as a safety because a lot of my friends are drug dealers, but I still want a good education.</p>
<p>Thanks for simplifying my college search!!!</p>
<p>I think your SAT is definitely too low for heaven, but purgatory might be a reach/match for you. VCU and hell are definite safeties.</p>
<p>Lol, these are some of the best posts I've seen on CC.</p>
<p>I wouldn't put VCU quite on the same level as Hell. lol ;)</p>
<p>"Uva is prolly more nationally recognized school. If you wanted to work somewhere outside of Virginia im guessin that a UVa degree would travel much further than a W&M degree. but im not sure its just my opinion."</p>
<p>UVa is more nationally recognized, because of their grad programs, like their top 10 law school and business school, but undergrad-wise, the W&M degree is just as if not better than the UVa undergrad degree. W&M is more selective than UVa consistently, year after year. The only reason why we don't get recognized is because we're small. Williams and Swarthmore deal with the same thing as we do, but their degrees go just as far as the Harvard and Yales.</p>
<p>The truth: UVA wins on cross-admit battles</p>
<p>The end.</p>
<p>While I think this is a pretty retarded conversation I will add my 2 cents...</p>
<p>UVa and W&M offer the same education quality. Neither has superior professors. Neither has a superior student body ... SATs and GPAs are near identical.</p>
<p>Also, the only reason w&m is "more selective" is because it gets more applications per spot than UVa does. Figure that Uva is almost double the size (about 7500 vs about 13500), yet gets only 60% more applications than w&m (about 10000 vs 16000) - when push comes the shove thats why w&m can appear to be more selective.</p>
<p>That being the case, UVa from then on offers equal if not better resources (it does have much more money than w&m), and it offers a bigger name. I'm not going to say that you're going to be better off at UVa than if you went to W&M, but saying something like "a w&m degree is just as good if not better than a UVa degree" - I would switch that around and say a UVa degree is just as good if not better than a w&m degree - given all other things equal (gpa and such) about the student.</p>
<p>but then again, I know about as much as the rest of you - and that means no t much.</p>
<p>It's also hard at times to judge the selectivity of W&M with its bias against female applicants and preference for males (due to disparaging numbers in the gender ratio of applicants). UVA maintains its gender ratio fairly well between applications and admissions.</p>
<p>UVA and William and Mary are both such top notch schools. I honestly don't understand why anyone would try to interject any rivalry between them. It is just not the case. As a student at William and Mary, I never hear crap about UVA...............NOTHING. My best friend, in fact many of my friends, go to UVA. Nobody feels the need to *****slap UVA at William and Mary and vise versa . The thing to understand is the "fit". I was accepted to both UVA and William and Mary, but I just felt like William and Mary was a better fit for me. Fit is a hard thing to explain. I didn't choose William and Mary because I thought my degree there would get me farther than one from UVA. Didn't even cross my mind. I am striving to do my best in college and in life and there is success out there for me, the kind of success I imagine. Of all the topics on CC the one that discourages me the most is the false rivalry between UVA and William and Mary. It's just not there. So when asked UVA over William and Mary, you have to ask yourself........perhaps what your intended major is..................then all things considered, which school do you feel would be your best fit. They are very different places to be, this much is true. But going to one takes nothing away from the other. People are not depressed at William and Mary.................not as much party life as UVA, but no way are students walking around depressed. These facts factor into "fit".</p>
<p>Untitled: Prove that Thomas Jefferson "hated" William and Mary. You have posted this before and ****ed me off..............prove it. What a stupid, stupid comment. </p>
<p>Also I will add that financial aid, if you need it, is probably much better at UVA than William and Mary. That may be a deciding factor when one needs to choose. </p>
<p>Untitled...................you jerk!</p>
<p>I dont' think he absolutely hated it, but Jefferson felt that, with W&M being a religious school, there was too much focus on religion there and he felt it wasn't appropriate to be the forefront academic institution of Virginia. That's when he decided to start his own school that was focused more on academic learning at that time.</p>
<p>Well, the description of Jefferson's feelings went even further by historical accounts. At UVA he wanted a more integrated campus.......a place where students could choose their curriculum based on their interests, rather than one which was predetermined. He wanted a school where students and teachers could interact. I think it's just provocative unnecessarily for Untitled to throw out such a petty, unsubstantiated comment to further fuel a fire that just isn't there. Thomas Jefferson absolutely did not hate William and Mary! Indeed he was inspired by the college. People truly, and I mean truly in the know, respect both schools for what they have to offer. We should join together as the best in the state, rather than dispute two great schools that just have different atmosphere's. This is where so much anger starts in my opinion on so many different topics. Someone on another post just told me that Washington and Lee far outweighs William and Mary in ...........................History (not history as a subject, but overall history of the school). It was just such b"" S:::: that I didn't even respond. Shows nothing but competitive ignorance and defending one's school at all cost. I will say one thing............William and Mary and UVA need no defense. There is no rivalry between the two schools except on College Confidential as far as I can see.</p>
<p>the reason why there is this competition is because people come onto a uva forum, say that they got into uva and william and mary and want to know which one they should go to.</p>
<p>obviously on a uva forum, people will say go to uva and list reasons why. then someone who goes to w&m reads it and says "well w&m has all that too and THIS also" sooo then it becomes a test of one upmanship. thats all</p>
<p>No, it doesn't have much to do with the prescribed curriculum of both schools. Being a deist, TJ didn't like academic institutions that were quite religious like W&M was.</p>
<p>I believe that W&M has a somewhat higher overall med school admit rate - I think that it's due to the large numbers of Bio/Life Sciences types that attend W&M - my sense of it is that W&M has a "better" pre-med curriculum, or more specifically, a better biology program. Which doesn't automatically mean that UVA's is somehow deficient, both are very good and successful programs. </p>
<p>But you said "psychology", and I don't really have a good answer for that, both programs look good to me, but it doesn't take much to impress me :)</p>
<p>Without knowing specifics about the psychology programs, I can only repeat the advice that I'm sure you've already gotten - visit both. See which one feels more comfortable to <em>you</em>. They are different schools, with different environments, and only you can decide which fits you better. Be secure that choosing either one is a great choice.</p>