UVa President was fired for telling the truth

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<p>That’s the weirdest thing. I’m looking at the post on my phone and Texas is not there. When I look at it on my main computer, Texas is mentioned. Strange.</p>

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That’s the quote on my phone…must have been edited and not picked up. Even your link to the post when I pull it up on my phone doesn’t mention Texas.</p>

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<p>That is weird. I initially thought you were being sarcastic, so i responded in a like manner :p</p>

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<p>Not weird at all. It appears the statement was altered after it’s initial posting. UCB caught it before goldenboy make it even more obnoxious. Happens all the time.</p>

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<p>Prestigious where–among northeast snob wannaes or among the major academic institutions in the world? In the academic world UVa can’t carry UW’s jock. It is barely an afterthought. The real public academic powers. See page 5. </p>

<p><a href=“http://oirap.rutgers.edu/reports/MSA2008/Self-Study-Reports/aau06pp126-131.pdf[/url]”>http://oirap.rutgers.edu/reports/MSA2008/Self-Study-Reports/aau06pp126-131.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Uva is the Potemkin Village of universities. Most of the schools it claims as its peers have ACTUAL academic chops to go along with good student stats. Sullivan saw that cleary.</p>

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<p>^^^Well, Sullivan was the provost at The University of Michigan. I suppose she knew how UVA stacked up against it’s peers and the BOV didn’t want to deal with it on her terms.</p>

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<p><clearly> she saw that and the costs to reach the level of real academic power are more than the fast buck guys and handle as it takes a real commitment to doing what Sullivan wanted to do–hire young people with good prospects and develop/nurture them over a 10 year period. They alredy tried the fast buck approach of hiring some science “stars” under Casteen and found that they wanted things money cannot readily buy and most decided to stay where they were.</clearly></p>

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<p>Barrons, you’re really grasping at straws here. According to the link you provided, UC San Diego has 20 more NAS members than Wisconsin which has 20 more NAS members than U of Michigan.</p>

<p>I guess by your logic, U of Michigan can’t really hold UCSD’s jockstrap either!:wink: Face it, the strength of the faculty after Harvard and Stanford don’t really match up with the actual reputation of universities held my most Americans which is what is relevant for most Americans.</p>

<p>Suggesting that an 18 year old choose UCSD over Georgetown or Dartmouth just because the former has exponentially more members elected into the National Academy of Arts & Sciences is ludicrous.</p>

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<p>If an 18 YO wants to study any science they are likely better served at UCSD than Gtown or Dartmouth. San Diego is a key area in biosciences and UCSD is at the heart of that.
BTW most Americans are ill-informed on most things academic.</p>

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<p>No one was suggesting that. University administrators care about these things and that’s the subject of this thread.</p>

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<p>“Suggesting that an 18 year old choose UCSD over Georgetown or Dartmouth just because the former has exponentially more members elected into the National Academy of Arts & Sciences is ludicrous.”</p>

<p>Last I checked Georgetown wasn’t known for its science programs. And Dartmouth is 1/6th the size of UCSD. So why exactly is it “ludicrous” to choose UCSD? Oh, I see–it’s because the most important factor is “the actual reputation of universities held (by) most Americans.” Sorry but I don’t think I would trust the masses who vote on the contestants on Dancing with the Stars and The Bachelor to determine what constitutes a “good” undergraduate science program for me or my child.</p>

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<p>I guess that the fans who bleed Big Ten, or whatever that conference is called today, have a better grasp than the DWTS crowd.</p>

<p>Aren’t public universities no longer recognized by the masses? Don’t tell me the masses apply rigorous analyses to form an opinion.</p>

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<p>UVa faculty meeting today raucous and 98% with Sullivan. Threaten to leave UVa.</p>

<p>[U-Va&lt;/a&gt;. faculty hold raucous meeting over ousted president - College, Inc. - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/college-inc/post/u-va-faculty-hold-raucous-meeting-over-ousted-president/2012/06/17/gJQAnLFtjV_blog.html]U-Va”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/college-inc/post/u-va-faculty-hold-raucous-meeting-over-ousted-president/2012/06/17/gJQAnLFtjV_blog.html)</p>

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<p>Major donors threaten to hit UVA in the pocketbook unless putsch ringleaders resign.</p>

<p>[U-Va&lt;/a&gt;. donors threaten to withhold funds over ouster of president - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/u-va-donors-threaten-to-withhold-funds-over-ouster-of-president/2012/06/17/gJQATxd5jV_story.html?wp_login_redirect=0]U-Va”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/u-va-donors-threaten-to-withhold-funds-over-ouster-of-president/2012/06/17/gJQATxd5jV_story.html?wp_login_redirect=0)</p>

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<p>“I guess that the fans who bleed Big Ten, or whatever that conference is called today, have a better grasp than the DWTS crowd.”</p>

<p>You once again are exactly correct xiggi.</p>

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<p>xiggi, I do not “bleed Big 10.” (Nor do I have a child attending a Big 10 school.) But I also do not “bleed” USNWR. Again, you are toeing the line of confrontation for no reason. I don’t get it. What is the point you are trying to make?</p>

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<p>Is University of Virginia’s ‘reputation gap’ growing?</p>

<p>[Is</a> University of Virginia’s ‘reputation gap’ growing? - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/is-university-of-virginias-reputation-gap-growing/2012/06/17/gJQAi8kVjV_blog.html?tid=pm_local_pop]Is”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/is-university-of-virginias-reputation-gap-growing/2012/06/17/gJQAi8kVjV_blog.html?tid=pm_local_pop)</p>

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<p>[U-Va&lt;/a&gt;. faculty hold raucous meeting over ousted president - College, Inc. - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/college-inc/post/u-va-faculty-hold-raucous-meeting-over-ousted-president/2012/06/17/gJQAnLFtjV_blog.html]U-Va”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/college-inc/post/u-va-faculty-hold-raucous-meeting-over-ousted-president/2012/06/17/gJQAnLFtjV_blog.html)</p>

<p>I think these faculties maybe considering relocating to the nearby city of Columbus!! TOSU Welcomes You!! :p</p>

<p>P.S. barrons’s 2007 list of NAS, NAE, IOM & AAAS needs to be updated. TOSU’s number is 20 faculty scholars short… (Thanks in part to Gee’s heavy recruiting since returning!! :)</p>

<p><a href=“http://research.osu.edu/osu-research/awardsandhonors/[/url]”>http://research.osu.edu/osu-research/awardsandhonors/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I have to say that a LOT of universities are over-rated. UVa is not alone. Its the nature of the beast.</p>

<p>Don’t give me stats on Phd factories and scientific awards. I’m talking undergrad institutions. </p>

<p>Not saying they are poor. Only saying they get full of themselves. </p>

<p>And their alumni/parents/students/faculty are part of the problem.</p>

<p>Elitism is a growing problem in academia and college selection.</p>

<p>Like people who measure self worth with net worth. Silly.</p>

<p>Not sure why Sullivan left. We weren’t in the room and neither was the Washington Post. </p>

<p>Her tenure was short…shortest ever. Sad.</p>

<p>She was beloved by students and faculty according to some reports, so this entire debacle is strange to say the least.</p>

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<p>“Taxpayers are getting tired of paying for people to take classes in art history, ehtnic studies, and Scandanavian languages.” And “We needd science (nincluding mathe) graduates. We do not need art history graduates.”</p>

<p>Comments from the linked article (same poster). Is this just more “tea party”-style indignation?</p>