UVA v. USC

<p>Here is the issue.....</p>

<p>I have narrowed down my choices to these two schools. I am looking to major in business and I am from the northeast. From my point of view both schools are absolutely beautiful, UVA is ranked a bit higher in terms of academics and the business school, but the environments at the schools to me appear to be the same regarding school spirit and top notch athletics. Of course for me it would be hard to turn down 4 years on the west coast. As well as the fact you have the whole rural and urban debate with LA and Charlottesville. For me the fact that the business school at UVA requires an application sophomore year is somewhat of an issue considering I am already accepted at USC Marshall...tuition isn't really an issue but I received a 1/4 tuition scholarship at USC.....what do you guys think?</p>

<p>who has the edge in terms of (recruiting, social environment, fun, and atmosphere...etc</p>

<p>Oh wow, even in southern CA, UVA is more prestigious. SC is just known as a spoiled rich kid school, and many consider their academics only a by-product of the football team. Honestly, the people at UVA will just generally be smarter (it definitely isn't uncommon for people at SC to be known for "buying" themselves in). In Southern CA, SC is behind UCLA, Pomona, and probably even Claremont McKenna and UCSD in terms of academic prestige. It lacks the "wow" factor that Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA, Pomona, and UVA all share. Unless you're into the whole "party like a rock star" thing, around here it isn't as impressive as its ranking indicates (I'm sure someone will disagree, this is just through my experiences and after knowing many people who've attended).</p>

<p>SC is a fun environment, but the area immediately around campus is very, very sketchy (3rd highest crime rate in US), so if you want a college town do NOT go there.</p>

<p>If you're smart enough to get into SC Marshall already, I think you can probably handle UVA business.</p>

<p>So I guess in this case I'd choose UVA, even if SC gave me a full-ride.</p>

<p>And UVA is WAY more pretty than USC (and I won't be attending either, in case you're wondering ;))</p>

<p>good luck!</p>

<p>hey thanks a lot for your input...I really appreciate it!</p>

<p>My D got in at both places too. She's going somewhere else, but I'd guess that if she chosen between them, she'd have wound up choosing UVA too. It's a smaller school than USC, with a tight-knit student body that's probably more cohesive than USC's. That said, USC is in Princeton Review's Top 10 list of students' dream schools for 2008, and UVA isn't.</p>

<p>This was actually one of the choices I had to make for college. What was the deciding factor was that I took a look at who was going to USC from my high school, decided I didn't really want to hang out with people like them, and chose UVA.</p>

<p>Haha, Melli. You've made me curious about the types of students from your high school who ended up at USC.</p>

<p>Hah! Me too!</p>

<p>We are from VA, and S applied to USC but not UVA. Nothing against UVA because it is a great school, but S just didn't see himself there. Also, he had spent part of a summer in Southern California and really liked it. He has narrowed his final list down to just a few schools, and one of them is USC. (USC also offered him scholarship money.) </p>

<p>Before visiting, I honestly had a bias against USC, thinking like a previous poster, that it was a partying, rich kids, we-worship-football school. After visiting USC and meeting students, faculty, and admissions officers, I realize now that I was TOTALLY wrong. Yes, there are some of those types at USC (just like at all schools), but most students are not like that.</p>

<p>I'll try and not repeat info that you have received from USC. I'll just add some of our observations about USC:</p>

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<li>You already know that USC offers a wide variety of majors and minors, including over 150 majors and 120 minors. It has the College of Letters, Arts, and Sciences. It also has 17 profession schools, including Engineering, Cinematic Art, Fine Arts, Music, Business, Architecture, Law, and Medicine, just to name a few.<br></li>
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<p>More importantly, however, USC encourages double majors and also encourages interdisciplinary studies and cooperation between schools. For example, for last fall's "Demo Game Day," students from three schools worked together on teams to create video games. (USC</a> Viterbi School of Engineering : Viterbi Game Day Builds USC Stature as National Center for Interactive Arts) Students came from the Viterbi School of Engineering, the Roski School of Fine Arts, and the School of Cinematic Arts. These were students "from computer science, interactive media, fine arts, animation, and composers from the School of Music." </p>

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<li>USC is a vibrant campus with some unique buildings. For example, the Bovard Auditorium is a beautiful facility that hosts very diverse events from Ladysmith Black Mambazo to Tom Brockaw. For photos, see Bovard</a> Auditorium - University of Southern California.</li>
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<p>When we visited in February, the flowers were blooming. (We left VA in a snowstorm.) The campus is not too big and students walk, use "long boards" (skateboards), or ride bikes called "beach cruisers" everywhere. These cruisers are the exact opposite of mountain bikes. They have no gears, have baskets on the front, and come in great colors like pink, purple, lime green, etc. I think it would be hard to get too stressed out at USC with the longboards and pink cruisers sailing by you, surrounded by flowers blooming. </p>

<p>Some people talk about the "high crime" area around USC, but it did not seem too dangerous to us. Yes, it is an urban area. Yes, you would not walk around by yourself at 2 am off campus wearing your Ipod. But no campus is totally safe, and common sense goes a long way.</p>

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<li> The student body is diverse and very nice. Eleven percent are first-generation college. We met many students and all of them were friendly. I went to an annual hip-hop dance showcase which had some amazing dancers. Even the dancers who were less than amazing received applause from the very enthusiastic and supportive audience. I talked to some students in the audience who were eager to share their we-love-USC stories. One was from Canada and the other from Northern California.<br></li>
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<p>USC has students from all over the world with different backgrounds and ethnicities. The students were wearing all kinds of outfits. We saw prepsters, mini-skirts with cowboys boots, lots of USC shirts, long shorts, short shorts, and everything in between. There was not one main look. </p>

<p>S went to two club sport activites (there are over 600 student organizations), and the students were very welcoming. He also met a aerospace engineering student who was on USC's Design/Build/Fly team and who invited him to the team's lab where he met other members of the team. They explained how the team designs, builds, and flies (hopefully) a plane that will compete in a national competition based on mandated specs. (The team is actually competing this weekend, 4/18/08, in Wichita, KS.) </p>

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<li><p>USC has almost a $4 billion endowment. Though this is not at the same level as Harvard or Stanford, last year USC raised over $450 million. Recently, USC received $25 million, the largest ever made by an African American to a U.S. institution of higher learning. (The donor made the gift in honor of her husband, a "49 Marshall School grad.) Even people who never went to USC seem to give it money. Why? Because it is easy to fall in love with USC and to believe in what USC is accomplishing. </p></li>
<li><p>USC works closely with industry to help place students. For example, at the Demo Game Day I mentioned above the best of the best attended:</p></li>
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Industry representation included Applied Minds, THQ, EA LA, EA Mobile, Activision, Northrup Grummann, Disney Interactive Studios, Digital Domain, Emsense, Disney VR Studios, Sony Online Entertainment, Sony Computer Enteratinmane of America, Steamboat Ventures, Blizzard, Google, Insomniac Games, Naughtdog Games, iSportGames, and Creative Artists Agency.

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<li><p>2007 Daily Trojan article about Marshall: Daily</a> Trojan </p></li>
<li><p>I know it sounds crazy, but I have to list the USC Marching Band. Those of you who have watched and heard them play (especially "TUSK") will agree.</p></li>
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<p>We also found the admission people to be nice, helpful, and concerned. These included those in the main USC Undergraduate Admissions Office (especially Director Timothy Brunold who also makes a great emcee) and those in the Viterbi Admissions Office (especially Director Matthew O'Pray). The Viterbi faculty and students were the same, and I am sure so are the Marshall faculty and students. </p>

<p>Both USC and UVA are great schools, but they are very different. Also, I think it is a plus that you are already accepted into the Marshall School. Best of luck in your decision.</p>

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I know it sounds crazy, but I have to list the USC Marching Band. Those of you who have watched and heard them play (especially "TUSK") will agree.

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"conquest" has to be the easiest fight song in the country to memorize. They repeat the same line for the ENTIRE song. one of the commentators at the USC-oregon game last year was making fun of it for the same reason, but it's completely true!</p>

<p>so i give UVA points for the better fight song (and mascot)....</p>

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I realize now that I was TOTALLY wrong.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose, but I firmly disagree. After making MULTIPLE visits myself, and knowing many, many many people who attend, I have to say that there is a legitimate reason why it's known in SoCal as the "University of Spoiled Children." Heck, I have a friend who goes there and even she calls it that! USC carries a very love-hate relationship, I think. Either you're an alum/student and you love it, or you're the rest of the state and you passionately dislike it. Perhaps that's not as apparent in other parts of the country, but here in CA it sure is.</p>

<p>but, like phorid said, Marshall is an excellent program...however, I would compare the schools on their own before making a decision. Virginia has more stronger programs, but Marshall is great. Where do you see yourself happiest? And I would like to re-emphasize that it's South Central LA, not Bel Air. Some people could care less about having a college town, but if you want one, don't overlook the differences.</p>

<p>haha and melli, I'm curious as well...</p>

<p>if you want to work in SoCal, then USC is almost a no-brainer, since their alums are very loyal. If you want the quintessential college experience in a college town, UVa would be the choice.</p>

<p>wrt your questions: Recruiting will be more regional for both. Social environments are both great, one a college town, one urban. Both provide plenty of fun opportunties, both have large greek presence. B'ball is much bigger in the ACC; 'SC is more of a football school. </p>

<p>btw: VC, UVa has plenty of rich kids too. Indeed, USC has more Pell Grantees (on a % basis) than does UVa -- it used to be twice as many.</p>

<p>Haha ermph well, the students who went to USC from my high school were the spoiled, party hearty, etc kids (sorry to play into the stereotype of a beloved school phorid). Of course they probably have changed in college, but I didn't particularly want to be around what I thought was the same bunch of clubbing>studying, brand names>personalities, etcetc kids. I apologize if you're a Trojan and love your school! I haven't really been in touch with those former classmates so I don't know how they've changed.</p>

<p>^^Nope, not a Trojan and my kids wouldn't apply, so no personal connection to the college.</p>

<p>blue: where in my message did I say they didn't?</p>

<p>UVA students, on average, have taken more APs, have higher test scores, and aren't given the enormous legacy boost that SC students are. It's not speculation, but rather fact (even my SC friends agree with the "University of Spoiled Children" stereotype). Do other schools have students with this attitude? Of course. But it is much more prevalent at SC than any other school I'm familiar with.</p>

<p>Everyone I know at SC pretty much fits melli's description. Perhaps that's because those of similar character tend to gravitate towards similar schools.</p>

<p>SC is a good school, don't get me wrong. But it isn't on par with UVA yet (perhaps with the exception being Marshall).</p>

<p>Whatever school the OP decides, I'm sure he'll be happy with.</p>

<p>UVA is on par with Berkeley, USC is barely UC San Diego. Need I say more?</p>

<p>NRC</a> Rankings in Each of 41 Areas</p>

<p>I find it quite comedic how every UCLA supporter just bashes USC....</p>

<p>PhD, your link is so misleading.
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It ranks DOCTORATE programs from 1993. **</p>

<p>"In 1993, the National Research Council studied universities granting doctorates in each of the following 41 areas."</p>

<p>I think I've seen you mention this report 3 or 4 times already. Before you post, I suggest you check your facts. Also, I think someone else pointed this out a month ago when you cited this report and you seem to have overlooked that. Many students here are looking for honest advice that is relevant to today and their degree level. The study you cited is 15 years old and is for PhD programs, not undergrad. If you could, keep your links relevant.</p>

<p>EDIT: here's the other forum in which PhD posted this link. Also, the NRC is based upon PEER evaluations.</p>

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I find it quite comedic how every UCLA supporter just bashes USC....

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<p>It's not about bashing SC, it's about telling the truth.</p>

<p>Truth is, UVA is just a BETTER school.</p>