I could post these every day
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@deb922, very sad and largely preventable. I was reflecting, as many have, about how the nation joined forces after 9/11 (when almost 3000 people died) to fight our common enemy (not clear how effective that fight was, but that is not my point).
Now we have a common enemy that has killed more than 3000 a day on many days (Googling says we are now at 2580 on Sep 17 and a weekly moving average of 1992) and instead of fighting the common enemy, we are fighting each other.
If we canât actually come together over something as tragic and dangerous as COVID, I donât actually have a lot of hope for the country.
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This NYT article takes a look at monoclonal antibodies and the vaccine. It makes salient points about the development and costs of both.
Short version: Monoclonal antibodies were also developed in a short amount of time and the cost per treatment is $2100 (making it 100x as expensive per administration, compared to the vaccine). The antibodies treat 1 Person and the vaccine has broader benefits to the community. Monoclonal antibodies are trending toward being in short supply.
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Theyâre being used as an (expensive) vaccine replacement, which is not their purpose.
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A cent of prevention versus a dollar of cure?
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I have a friend that got covid even with Pfizer vaccine and needed the monoclonal Antibodies. Without them she would likely be dead or on a vent.
Thank goodness your friend is ok. Whatâs scary is that so many people now are relying on MAb instead of getting the vaccine that there is a shortage of MAb that will now have to be rationed to states, so that people like your friend might not even be able to get MAb in the near future. Which is why I disagree with the FDA that boosters should be more readily available: cheaper, easier to distribute, lowers the stress on the healthcare system, and protects valuable resources like MAb.
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All of this could have likely been avoided if they all got vaccinated:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/19/health/florida-man-inspires-covid-vaccinations/index.html
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At least theyâre not duped any longer and are spreading that message, but I still donât think they should have been able to get special treatment while others around them die due to lack of TV coverage.
And whoâs paying the bills? Getting fully vaccinated would have cost the country < $60.
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The Atlantic: âThe Delta variant has taken hold, and hospitals are filling up again ⊠But this time the suffering seems different, because it is avoidable. Optional. A choice,â writes Chavi Karkowsky, a medical doctor in New York City. âTo many medical providers working today, the rejection of lifesaving COVID-19 vaccines feels like a giant âF*** youâ from 29 percent of American adults. We will keep providing the best care possible, but they are making our job much harder,â Karkowsky writes.
âWhat makes me the maddest,â one doctor friend told Karkowsky, âis that these people will reject science right until the second they need everything I have to keep them alive, and then they feel that they can come to our door and be entitled to that help and that hard work.â
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This article is about the person the OP was talking about.
A well connected unvaccinated person who was able to advocate and get the treatment that isnât available to most.
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Yes, that is the person. There are others mentioned in the article. Just shaking my headâŠ
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âWe let our guard down ⊠and then we were blindsided.â
Shaking my head, too.
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Correction to that quote: You werenât blindsided. You were blind. By choice.
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Just noticed this. Question for you: which of the four things I listed as fact do you think are false and not factual statements:
- That Covid vaccines work, albeit imperfectly?
- That masks work in reducing the spread of Covid, albeit imperfectly?
- That vaccine mandates are not new or un-American?
- That the government can and does have a variety of mandates to protect health (including stop signs, seat belt laws, drunk driving laws, etc.) and it does already regulate workplace health via OSHA?
If you want to clarify as a couple of posters did, Federal vaccine mandates are untested in court, though State vaccine mandates have been supported by the Supreme Court and are being challenged now (challenge denied in Kentucky and New Mexico and Massachusetts but lost a temporary injunction in Florida and perhaps elsewhere). Employer mandates are not new and I think widely accepted but are also being litigated (challenge unsuccessful at hospital in Louisiana but temporary injunction for NY state teachers). But I think my statement that vaccine mandates are neither new nor un-American is hard to disagree with.
Similarly, as I qualified in my original post, there will be challenges to OSHAâs ability to mandate vaccines in the work place . There are apparently good legal grounds that can be asserted and it is not obvious how things will get decided. See https://money.yahoo.com/osha-require-workers-vaccinated-163449003.html.
But, Iâm wondering which of the four things I said were facts you believe to be incorrect. I think the rest of my post is pretty clearly qualified as opinion (although I think most of the things I labeled as hypocrisies are pretty incontrovertible). The moderators removed a sentence that made the fourth hypocrisy largely reciprocal, but OK.
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Maybe the poster wasnât referring to anything you wrote, but just âopinions/their takeâ in general?
FWIW, I donât think there is really much question about the legality of OSHAâs proposed temporary rules. The standard is just that there is a âgrave dangerâ in the workplace. Since courts were closed and remote in the US for 18 months, and still are in many places, presumably because of that âgrave dangerâ judges are likely to agree.
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It was in this thread that posters were suggesting that vaccine mandates might not withstand legal scrutiny. If Iâm not mistaken, this position was advanced by folks who werenât fond of the idea of vaccine mandates.
Iâm no legal expert, though it seemed that a stateâs right to do so (and an employerâs right to do so) were pretty well-established. Hereâs the state of play thus far.
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Although this case involves government employees it could further change the state of play when it comes to asserting religious exemption and further complicate life for private businesses.
@roycroftmom has eloquently described some of the awkward topics now required between employers and employees. This ruling could potentially compound the challenges of enforcement.
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