Anybody could infect a patient. Housekeeping, food service, janitorial personal, etc. A hospital should be the #1 place where a person should feel safe.
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Any vaccinated employee can infect a patient. The days that the vaccine prevented infection are long gone.
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Yes, but the viral load would probably be less. My daughter and SILâ are physicians at a major hospital, they have enough risk as it is. They donât need fellow employees to out them at risk, they have enough of that from patients.
I am done, CC is not a debate site. Peace out
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Neither of these statements are true. Those who are fully vaccinated and boosted are much less likely to get infected, and those who arenât infected do not transmit covid to others. Further, breakthrough cases are generally shorter and less severe with less viral load overall, and so the vaccinated are less likely to spread the virus even if they get it.
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My statements are both true. Your statements are merely modifications of both. The CDC has admitted that vaccines donât stop transmission. And given the rapid spread of COVID among vaxxed only and vaxxed and boosted people, they can infect others.
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Either your statements arenât true, or they are devoid of any real meaning in the context of covid and omicron. No vaccine will completely âstop transmission.â That is not how the vaccines work. Thatâs been the case since the pandemic began.
Vaccinations are, and have always been about probabilities. And while the probabilities arenât as favorable against omicron as they are against delta, the combination of vaccines plus booster does significantly lessen the probably of an omicron infection. And if on the off chance a breakthrough infection does occur, then the vaccine plus booster significantly lessens the probability severe infection. In turn, both of these things lessen the probability of transmission.
To put it another way, "unvaccinated people are 20 times likelier to die, 17 times likelier to be hospitalized and 10 times likelier to be infected than the vaccinated. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/12/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/ This means the vaccinated pose a much lower risk of transmission to others.
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From your article.
Top U.S. infectious-disease expert Anthony S. Fauci on Wednesday reiterated the stark warning that the coronavirus will probably infect most Americans eventually, but added an important caveat: While âvirtually everybody is going to wind up getting exposed and likely get infected,â he said, âif youâre vaccinated and if youâre boosted, the chances of you getting sick are very, very low.â
Isnât Fauci saying the vaccines wonât stop transmission or infection but they will prevent severe illness in most people?
Omicron has pretty much dispensed with the concept of rare âbreakthroughâ infections since around a million people a day are getting infected and theyâre not all unvaccinated (and those are just the cases we know about officially).
And as much as Iâve enjoyed our conversation, weâre a bit off topic so Iâm signing off.
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Not sure what you donât understand about his statement that the unvaccinated are 10 times more likely to get an infection than are the vaccinated.
As for what you quote, he wasnât addressing the current probability of infection. Rather he was addressing the long-term context, and that even with eventual exposure resulting in infection, those who are vaccinated and boosted are extremely unlikely suffer severe consequences. Both those factors - the lower likelihood of infection, and the lower likelihood of severity of infection - play and important role in reducing the likelihood transmission, which is why those who are vaccinated are much les likely to transmit omicron than those who arenât. Again, that is why your statements were untrue.
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The reality is, like Fauci said, weâre all getting exposed and most of us are going to be infected by Covid. Last year, today, next month, itâs happened or is going to. The outcome is certainly statistically better if youâre vaccinated but the reality is weâre all going to still deal with this. Iâm happy to be better prepared (fully vaxxed and boosted) but Iâm not naive enough to think I am not still susceptible, that I canât pass it on to others and that Iâll absolutely be ok. Weâre all going to get exposed regardless of our vaccination status. Weâre all a potential vector to transmit. Weâre all subject to possible severe illness and potentially death. Thankfully vaccines reduce our risks but in the end itâs still out there and it can still harm us.
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I assume we are done debating infection rates, as well being done with statements like " You clearly donât understand" since both run counter to ToS. Please keep the conversation civil, since I believe the next slow mode is a 3 hour interval.
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Back to kids and the relative lack of concern that people have about kids getting Covid. Earlier in the post, someone noted that while cases among kids are rising quickly, they are mild. I noted that the knock-on effects could be problematic and copied an article on increased risk of diabetes and noted concern about long covid in kids. Some data from the UK.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1479115498600099842
Incidentally, I think Eric Feigl-Ding was the first researcher to note that Covid was likely going to be a pandemic.
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a new study comparing the omicron and delta variants showed a 91% reduction in death and a 53% reduction in hospitalization with the omicron strain (see data).
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Thatâs still a lot of hospitalizations.
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I think that somebody working for a hospital or health clinic should be required to be vaccinated. So yep, Iâd fire them.
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DD had a baby yesterdayâŠhere exact text from the front lineâŠ
'Over half the staff is out with covid. Theyâre not even testing the remaining staff anymore because they donât want to know apparently. Our nurse has been working 16 hour shifts with 8 hours off between for days now. They also have major supply issues. For example, lidocaine. The suppliers are sending random off brands. Theyâre so low of stuff they have to try the off brand before they can use the brand name. â
Firing the unvaccinated probably makes some folks feel really good about themselves. I wonder how the staff thatâs working 16 hour shifts feels, given that they are now almost certainly working along side other infected staff.
Iâm not sure if it is just out and out fear by some that the vaccine really isnât doing what was promisedâŠand the infection is running thru the land. Or, if it is an inability/unwillingness to change oneâs position when the science changes.
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The world is so fortunate to have these safe vaccines available in record time. They have significantly changed the course of the pandemic by decreasing infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. To dispute that is nonsense. I donât think there are many people involved in vaccine development/immunology who expected any of these vaccines to be sterilizing.
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Agreed. And infections are in the vaccinated and unvaccinated. And are flaming thru both groups. The point at hand was the wisdom of firing unvaccinated during a time when the vaccinated are just as likely to be infected (with a difference in there personal outcomes a consideration).
In my Dâs caseâŠshe could have had a COVID positive labor and delivery staffâŠbut she will never know because theyâve stopped checking. And the positive staff in CA is now supposed to come to work if they fall within certain parameters.
Given this, I still find it stupid to fire the un-vaxxed. Yes, it seems to LOOK good to some - but the whole âletâs make it look goodâ thing hasnât worked to well for us up to this point
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I am not sure data support the statement that vaccinated are being infected at the same rate as unvaccinated, have you seen any?
I have no problem firing employees of healthcare organizations who make poor Public Health decisions during a pandemic. Definitely not the correct career for those peeps.
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Itâs just two data points, but Iâve already said that my guy and his GF along with those he works with are quite happy with his medical centerâs decision to let go those who refused to get vaxxed without a solid medical reason.
Plus, very, very few of those let go (all of 1 that he knows of in his working situation) were actual medical staff.
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You canât say I did not give a heads up before putting into slow mode:
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