<p>I know I am not the only one who thinks this is unfair. I'm top of my class, would go a week without sleep if I could get a full scholarship to USC or UCLA. Boy in my class is popular but not that smart, probably copies off of other people, and is a school track star. He's been offered full rides or scholarships to USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, and about 2 dozen other schools... UCLA may very well be one of them I think.</p>
<p>No Fair!</p>
<p>He must be VERY exceptional because at most schools track does not offer many (if any) full rides.</p>
<p>i don't know how many of the schools are offering full rides and how many are just scholarships (i found this out on the internet that he got this stuff), but he plays other sports too, football yes, something else perhaps. the USC one just burned me though.</p>
<p>IF he has been offered all of these scholarships, he must be a highly recrutiable athlete which would be a testament to all of the work he has put into his sport. Don't feel jealous of him for a moment because the life of a recruited athlete is not an easy on especially in a sport like track which takes place all year long. The school is going to get every drop of their money out of him in sweat. In addition he is still going to have to balance this with school work in order to keep his scholarship.</p>
<p>Sometimes, you gotta be like a race horse; put on some blinders and learn how to run your own race, whether it is sports, academics or somewhere in between.</p>
<p>Supply and demand.</p>
<p>yeah, i hate dumb jocks 2, they got all the hot girls, they got all the scholarships, And when they limp outta college, they will make billions signing long fat contracts with NFLs, NBAs, you name it what nots</p>
<p>You know the solution - Vote for Democrats</p>
<p>Tax those rich bastards :rolleyes:</p>
<p>USC can also be unfair to academic types. It offers a nice scholarship (i.e., tuition discount) to nearly evey NMSF. Thus, a 3.5 and 217 psat earns money, whereas a 4.0 (at the most competitive school in the state) and a 216 earns zipppo. One incorrect bubble can mean the difference of $60k!</p>
<p>How is it unfair? It would take a lot of training and hard work to become a really good athlete. Just like how it takes a lot of hard work to be a really good student.</p>
<p>I think the OP's complaints/ventings are legitimate. Let's be honest....No one is entiled for a special treatment just because he was born with a pair of long legs and big buttock, especially when it comes to higher earning university admission. </p>
<p>On a side note, I know a lot of dumb jocks who picked up the LAX sticks and got into ivy schools and like. Ask yourself-- do you really think it's fair when hard-working academic students got shafted and those dumb jocks got admitted with merit-aids? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>What's the difference between a "pair of long legs and big buttock" and an oversized cranium? Sure, althetic ability can be something innate, but so can academics.</p>
<p>Colleges need good athletes as well as good students, and--like someone said before-- supply and demand, baby! Supply and demand!</p>
<p>It's really not that unfair. I don't have any stats but im sure for a lot of colleges offer way more academic scholarships than athletic scholarships, and being smart is also genetic. Not saying having a high IQ is all that is needed to exel but neither is only being naturally fast, they still have to train a lot.</p>
<p>Sure a lot of "dumb jocks" (nd when you say dumb you mean people who only score in 90 percentile of the SAT instead of the 99th) get into ivies but way more nerds get into ivies. Nd for all those people with 2100 and above SATs who didnt get into ivies, are most likely offered a lot of money from many other schools. I know if i dont get into any "top" schools I will just probably end up going UMCP honors programs and such with a full ride so there really isn't a reason to complain.
(i found that a lota people would die to go to school free even if its not harvard)</p>
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That's the cheapest shot I've ever seen. He "probably" copies off other people? You don't know anything else about this kid? He may not chat about equations, but for all you know, he has a 3.8 GPA and a 2200 on his SAT. Along with exceptional ability, I would say he could get into nearly any school.</p>
<p>The ancient Greeks said a sound body is just as important as a strong mind. CC is full of eggheads who beg to differ, though.</p>
<p>I have to disagree with a lot of people in this thread. I am an athlete and a student. I get high grades and i am somewhat good in sports. Now i had a dilemma in my freshmen year. Either i go all out and do very good in sports or i put a little less effort into sports (but im still on the team) and more enphasis on academics. I chose academics, but i can tell you that to be a star in any sport is very hard and takes a lot of practice. makkuroi no offense but it sounds like you are way too ignorant and should think before you speak.</p>
<p>i did put the "venting" warning for a reason... i was upset. i am HIGHLY repsectful of the kids who get high grades AND excel in sports... i meant no offense there. i suck at sports. i shouldn't have put "probably copies off of other people" because i have no proof and that just makes people mad... it just is frustrating when you have a dream and someone else gets it. i just get upset how college is supposed to be an academic world, but they reward people so substantially. if they had a major in sports, i'd be all for it. i don't know how common this is, but i often hear about people who get offered full scholarships for sports and then have to focus on getting a high enough SAT to meet the school's minimum</p>
<p>Makkuroi,</p>
<p>I'm glad you've backed off on your unsubstantiated generalizations, and I recognize you were venting, however you are viewing the role of a "jock" (or student/athlete) and the place of athletic programs with a jaundiced perspective. Consider the amount of financial support and visibility created by Division I sports programs. Stanford is arguably the top choice school for many of the country's best students, and yet their sports program is perennially in contention for the Sears Directors' Cup, given annually to the top collegiate athletic program in the country. Stanford recognizes the PR advantages that this program sends out to the world at large. The folks that manage Stanford's huge financial endowment don't question for a moment the place that sports and "jocks" has in making Stanford a top school academically and otherwise.</p>
<p>When an athelete gets a scholarship to play ball (or anything else) for a college, it's like a job for them. They have to spend a large portion of their time devoted to that sport, working their rear off for that scholarship, putting them at a disadvantage over other students when it comes to study time. </p>
<p>The colleges give the scholarships because that is the way this country works - bottom line: sports pay the bills. If they didn't, there wouldn't be any scholarships or other perks for jocks.</p>
<p>"I know I am not the only one who thinks this is unfair. I'm top of my class, would go a week without sleep if I could get a full scholarship to USC or UCLA. Boy in my class is popular but not that smart, probably copies off of other people, and is a school track star. He's been offered full rides or scholarships to USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, and about 2 dozen other schools... UCLA may very well be one of them I think.</p>
<p>No Fair!"</p>
<p>Oh please, athletes make much more for the school then any nerd ever will. Reggie Bush MADE USC 93 million dollars last year, thats scholarships for kids like you. That money improves the campus and buys new equipment for the grad schools.</p>
<p>You are a loser AND an bigot. I play football and have a high GPA, GET A LIFE. I think your jealousy should remain in your head. You can never understand the crap a football player goes through, have you ever woke up at 6 Am to be yelled at by a coach and train. I wish I could take you to a conditioning practice and watch you pass out.</p>
<p>Athletes are more valuable to the school, do you think you could make that much money for USC or any school.</p>
<p>and another thought ... the big Div I schools like USC, Ohio State, LSU, etc actually tend to have less varisty sports than a lot of smaller DIII schools like Williams, MIT, and Swathmore ... so maybe 200 sports scholarships are given to kids at Ohio State; given the size of Ohio State whether those kids were admitted or not has vistually no effect on the admission of any other applicant. So if you're applying to a big time sports school like USC there are lots of arguments against big time sports but "taking spots" from more qualified applicants is not really a realistic one. Ironically, at the smaller DIII schools with tons of teams athletic recruiting does have a bigger impact on admissions since the athletes represent such a big proportion of the students (although the athletes are not receiving scholarships).</p>
<p>ohhh, i had never realized that college sports bring in MONEY foir colleges...
good point.</p>
<p>People also thinking getting an athletic scholarship begins when you apply and ends when they hand you a few thousand dollars. Hell no. An athletic scholarship binds you to being on that school's sports team for four years, or risk losing your money. In addition to taking a full course load, they commit to practicing and working out every day -- and training isn't something that ends in June, either. Balancing athletics and academics is way difficult, especially when they both fight for all your time.</p>