<p>^ Actually, although I like freerepublic.com, pretty much everyone on there is a hardcore convervative. It would be a great place for yucca to find some ‘traitors,’ but the opinions there are not nearly as diverse as the ones on this forum.</p>
<p>The issue about Tibet is not about invasion or not. If Chinese people and Tibetans were given God-given unalienated human rights as Americans have been enjoying, Tibetans shouldn’t have any problems with Chinese government. Instead they probably would vote unanimously to become part of China even if they were not part of it just as Puerto Ricans voted unanimously to become part of American system. The same goes to Taiwan. Taiwanese probably would want to become part of China too if mainland China were the same as America. Living freely in the ways we want without any governmental infringement as US Constitution grants and our Godfathers fought for Americans shall be what every human being craves and fights for. Countries and governments are all man-made. If some Chinese people don’t understand what this is all about, at least please understand other people have their rights and freedom to choose their own lives even if you think your ways of living are better and you would like them to stay with you and copy your life-style. It’s not the end of world to Chinese people if Tibetans want to be independent and get “divorced” from China. Why keeping the horrible “marriage” if it doesnt work out?</p>
<p>The issue about Tibet is not about invasion or not. If Chinese people and Tibetans were given God-given unalienated human rights as Americans have been enjoying, Tibetans shouldn’t have any problems with Chinese government. Instead they probably would vote unanimously to become part of China even if they were not part of it just as Puerto Ricans voted unanimously to become part of American system. The same goes to Taiwan. Taiwanese probably would want to become part of China too if mainland China were the same as America. Living freely in the ways we want without any governmental infringement as US Constitution grants and our forefathers fought for Americans shall be what every human being craves and fights for. Countries and governments are all man-made. If some Chinese people don’t understand what this is all about, at least please understand other people have their rights and freedom to choose their own lives even if you think your ways of living are better and you would like them to stay with you and copy your life-style. It’s not the end of world to Chinese people if Tibetans want to be independent and get “divorced” from China. Why keeping the horrible “marriage” if it doesnt work out?</p>
<p>" Actually, although I like freerepublic.com, pretty much everyone on there is a hardcore convervative. It would be a great place for yucca to find some ‘traitors,’ but the opinions there are not nearly as diverse as the ones on this forum." </p>
<p>If you are an American citizen, no matter what ethnicity you belong to, the first thing you shall rememnber is that you are American, not Chinese, Tibetans, or Koreans! Don’t forget you can’t be both American and Chinese, because Chinese government doesn’t allow a Chinese American to be a Chinese citizen when she/he chose to be an American citizen. Therefore when a Chinese person chose to be American, he/she became a foreigner to China because Chinese government chose so. When you are an American, living in USA, enjoying liberty, freedom, and all God-given unalienated rights that the US Constitution grants, our forefather fought for, and many Amercans are still fighting for but in the meantime you side with Chinese government which is Americans’ enemy, then who is the traitor? Anybody who lives in US and -enjoys what we have here shall appreciate what you’ve got -Please remember all the liberty and freedom don’t come free - people fought and bled for them and are still fighting and bleeding for them. At least think as an American and don’t help our enemy!</p>
<p>Yes, on political nationality, you are a U.S. citizen. However, if you are Chinese, your descent, origin, root is forever Chinese. Jasmincn, no one has yet insisted that the Chinese government is America’s “enemy.” Even the White House and Congress are careful and smart enough to realize the importance of this relationship. However, if you insist on labeling the Chinese your new “enemy,” then do it at your own risk. I must emphasize that NO ONE, whether you are an American, or Chinese, would like to see another full scale confrontation between the two nations. These kind of “enemy-labeling” can only lead to further hostility, misunderstanding, and eventual confrontation and war between two peace-loving nations. The American government and people should actively engage with China, her government, her people, her culture, and her history. Mutual cooperation and dialogue is a must for the future survival and prosperity of both China and the United States. Yes, democracy, political freedom, and civil rights would gradually arrive in China if American pundits can tone down their aggressive hostility and engage in mutually beneficial cooperation with other nations.</p>
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<p>First of all, freerepublic definitely does not represent everyone in America.
Second, I can’t be an American and a Chinese citizen, but, other than that, I don’t see any restrictions. </p>
<p>I have a Chinese ancestry, and I live in America. My perspective of the world is shaped through my experiences. Thus, I try to understand both the majority of the Chinese protestors and the pro-Tibet protestors. The fact that I am an American citizen does not automatically cause me to hate all Chinese people nor does it suddenly make China a dreadfully foreign country. </p>
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<p>Tibet is part of China.
This thread is closed.</p>
<p>You people are essentially quarreling about two sets of cultural ideologies. On one hand, you have ultra-nationalistic people like Yucca who is willing to make the supreme sacrifice for the motherland. On another hand, you have American liberal jerkoff who don’t really care about what other people think and singing make love not war, stop tibetan genocides without really knowing who are they dealing with.
This is a quarrel between dog and cat arguing about whether apple or pear is the most delicious.</p>
<p>The Global Human Rights Torch Relay, scheduled to pass through 37 countries, arrived in Minnesota (MN) State on April 16 on its America leg of the ongoing relay. The torch arrived after passing through New York earlier on Sunday. The organisers of the torch relay hope to draw attention to human rights concerns in Tibet, as well as the Chinese government’s persecution of the Falun Gong, Buddhists, rights advocates and others. </p>
<p>In Minnesota, the relay kicked off from the State Capitol and arrived at the University of Minnesota Coffman Front Plaza, covering 11 miles, for the main even of the torch relay. Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong, China Democracy Movement, MN Tibetan community, Falun Dafa Twin Cities Club, Burmese representative, Genocide Intervene were among others taking part in the torch relay advocating: “The Olympics and crimes against humanity cannot coexist in China”. </p>
<p>Upon reaching the University of Minnesota, Tenzin Namlha, a good friend of mine who now resides in MN, was taken aback seeing an unusually large contingent of supposedly pro-China campaigners protesting side by side, apparently to disrupt the relay’s event. Tenzin, who recently moved to US from Dharamsala, the seat of the Tibetan Government-in-exile, was among some 300 odd members of MN Tibetan community, who took a day off from work on Wednesday, to take part in the peaceful human rights torch relay. </p>
<p>What shocked Tenzin most was when a Chinese student carrying a pro-China banner approached him, in the midst of event, and asked him how much he got to take part in it; evidently with no idea of the whole torch relay event. </p>
<p>“What happened is that there were lots of pro-Chinese, and one of them came to me and asks me how much I got,” Tenzin wrote in our usual online chat. “He thought I might be one of them (Chinese),” Tenzin went on. </p>
<p>“And then I asked him back (the same question) and he said he got 350 dollars (US) from the Chinese government to protest against us (Tibetans and human rights activists). He specifically told us that lots of students, almost all of them were paid to protest against Tibetans,” he added. </p>
<p>During his brief interaction with the outwardly frank Chinese student, Tenzin said he learned that pro-Chinese activists at the San Francisco leg of Olympic torch relay were all paid to protest against pro-Tibet campaigners. “And it’s not just yesterday, they were paid to go to protest against us in San Francisco too,” Tenzin wrote in our chat on Wednesday. </p>
<p>“The pro-Chinese in San Francisco were all paid to protest against us man,” he wrote in his casual chat language. </p>
<p>Interestingly, what happened later proved even more unexpected for Tenzin. </p>
<p>“So I asked him ‘why are you protesting, I mean do you have any idea about what’s going on’” Tenzin went on with his narration. </p>
<p>“That Chinese guy told me he didn’t know what’s going on,” Tenzin wrote saying he literally had to explain to his Chinese counterpart in “detail” about what had been “going on in Tibet” and that the “Human Rights Torch Relay” is “not talking about Tibet at all”. </p>
<p>According to Tenzin, on hearing the explanation, the bemused ‘Chinese guy’ later put his banner down to join Tibetans and other groups to denounce Chinese government of its human rights record. </p>
<p>“We were all talking about human rights in China and then he put his banner down and joined our group!” Tenzin exclaimed, adding “It’s really funny man”. </p>
<p>Tenzin further wrote: “He doesn’t even know why he is protesting. And it’s not just him; he said most of the students who are pro-Chinese don’t know why they are protesting”. </p>
<p>When asked how they get money from Chinese Government, Tenzin said he was told by the Chinese stranger that one of the student’s or a group’s leaders would take money from Chinese embassy or consulates from respective locations and then pay them to individuals. </p>
<p>Tenzin and other Tibetans later on the very same day went to Rochester, which is almost two hours drive from Minneapolis, to see the exiled Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama and to hear him speak. </p>
<p>The Dalai Lama was attending a day-long conference at Mayo Clinic’s Siebens Building titled “Investigating the Mind-Body Connection: The Science and Clinical Applications of Meditation” where he also gave a talk titled “Compassion in Medicine”. </p>
<p>Tenzin said he was again disturbed seeing many Chinese protesters, made up of mostly Chinese students studying at the University of Minnesota, outside the Mayo Clinic building, carrying Chinese flags and anti-Dalai Lama and anti-Tibetan banners. </p>
<p>Tenzin said he and other Tibetans expected to get a glimpse of their leader, but could not see him after waiting there for more than an hour. He blames the Chinese govt-funded protest for obstructing their chance to see the Dalai Lama. </p>
<p>“Well the Chinese really came into our nerves yesterday, but we all Tibetans kept our patience,” Tenzin wrote before signing off. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, Chinese Communist Party’s official mouth piece, Xinhua, which alone acts as the absolute source of Tibet related news in China, carried the Rochester incident story as - Chinese Americans protest against Dalai Lama’s separatist activities. </p>
<p>The story posted on Friday goes on to say: “American Chinese and Chinese students across the United States have been voluntarily and spontaneously staging a series of peaceful protests against the Dalai Lama’s separatist activities as he tours the country.”</p>
<p>[China</a> salaries overseas Chinese for anti-Tibetan protests - <a href=“http://www.phayul.com%5B/url%5D”>www.phayul.com](<a href=“http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=20795&article=China+salaries+overseas+Chinese+for+anti-Tibetan+protests]China”>http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=20795&article=China+salaries+overseas+Chinese+for+anti-Tibetan+protests)</a></p>
<p>Please remember ethnicinity and nationality are two different things. We are not against Chinese people. We are against Chinese government because it is against freedom and liberty worldwide. It is an antithesis of what Americans stand for.</p>
<p>“I must emphasize that NO ONE, whether you are an American, or Chinese, would like to see another full scale confrontation between the two nations. These kind of “enemy-labeling” can only lead to further hostility, misunderstanding, and eventual confrontation and war between two peace-loving nations. The American government and people should actively engage with China, her government, her people, her culture, and her history. Mutual cooperation and dialogue is a must for the future survival and prosperity of both China and the United States.”</p>
<p>In any full-scale war with America, China will cease to exist literally. War is hell, but sometimes you need to break a few eggs to make an omellette.</p>
<p>Since you all are interested in global politics, freerepulic.com is a political forum and a much more efficient site for us to discuss about politics. Let’s meet there.</p>
<p>Is there any point in debating with a provincial American who has almost no understanding of our country? I think not. </p>
<p>“War is hell, but sometimes you need to break a few eggs to make an omellete.” Typical American ignorance. Indeed, Dr. Stiglitz is right in pointing out that the use of force has become too easy for America nowadays. Just curious, why do you still bother to have the UN if you are all for war and hostility with everybody that’s not in line with your standard American doctrine? Actually, that piece of estate on the 1st Avenue would make a great luxury apartment block (oh I almost forgot… there’s a housing crisis at the moment, so I guess it’s not so profitable to demolish the UN and build a new luxury apartment. Thank goodness the evil Chinese are providing us with much needed sovereign wealth funds to clean up this subprime mortgage mess. Funny, how America’s little adventure in Iraq has also become the first war that is fully funded with foreign money through the selling of Treasury Bonds…by the Chinese government. Seriously America, please don’t mess around with China. I mean, seriously, China’s Central Bank could easily halt America’s mightiest war machines with a simple sell-off of American government bonds).</p>
<p>Honestly, jasmincn, you’ve made some great arguments. I believe them. Only thing I’m a little confused is which China are you specifically referring to, the one here on Earth or some other China on another planet? Sorry for so many questions, I’m just a little curious!</p>
<p>Why can’t China just make Tibet a SAR (Special Administrative Region), like what they’ve set up in Hong Kong and Macau? Is it because of the Dalai Lama?</p>
<p>I’m going to scream!!!
WA AH AHA AH
So you people in the U.S think that religion and church are separated??? guess what idiots! You now want to install a theocracy in people’s republic of china, and encourage to allow a bunch of monks to control 1/4 of China’s territory. There is some racism in this incident! Stop to be so naive. The revolution in Tibet is a part of the Chinese revolution!!! Peasants want Dalai Lama and his feudal system to get out! and therefore, he is out!
IT is really non of the westerners’ business to critique China’s olympics especially when U.S is torturing prisoners and occupying other countries.. If china cannot host olympics, it should not be the candidate in the first place.</p>
<p>War is hell, but sometimes you need to break a few eggs to make an omellete." Typical American ignorance. Indeed, Dr. Stiglitz is right in pointing out that the use of force has become too easy for America nowadays. Just curious, why do you still bother to have the UN if you are all for war and hostility with everybody that’s not in line with your standard American doctrine? Actually, that piece of estate on the 1st Avenue would make a great luxury apartment block (oh I almost forgot… there’s a housing crisis at the moment, so I guess it’s not so profitable to demolish the UN and build a new luxury apartment. Thank goodness the evil Chinese are providing us with much needed sovereign wealth funds to clean up this subprime mortgage mess. Funny, how America’s little adventure in Iraq has also become the first war that is fully funded with foreign money through the selling of Treasury Bonds…by the Chinese government. Seriously America, please don’t mess around with China. I mean, seriously, China’s Central Bank could easily halt America’s mightiest war machines with a simple sell-off of American government bonds).</p>
<p>It appears you are very knowledgeable. If you are not a commie plant, I assume you are in USA studying. Evidently you are at least a Chinese nationalist. Is that ok I use your argument as a thread in freerepublic.com? You are welcome to come to find out what people there will say.</p>
<p>I am a Permanent Resident of the United States, and I am also a Canadian Citizen. I immigrated to Canada along with my parents when I was 8 years old. However, on my way to Canada, I was recruited into the Communist Party by the Party’s secret agents. Since then, I’ve fallen in love with Communist ideologies and have become a fervent believer that China should take over the world and burn down the White House. During my years in elementary and secondary education in Canada, communist agents regularly communicated with me about details concerning their grand plans to bring down democracy and every conscious being around the world. As I was only 10 years old when this happened, I was very excited to be involved in such a glorious cause. By the time I turned 11, I had already become a professionally trained 747 air pilot. The Chinese government then instructed me to aid Osama Bin Laden and his followers to blow up the democratic institutions of America. Apparently, Osama was smart enough to reject my offer, as I was only 11 at the time. After that, I was determined to make my way to the top. I started studying for something called the SAT and started applying to top American universities. China’s secret police agents taught me that I must attend a top American university, in order to infiltrate our enemy from the inside and strike them in the heart. I thought that the plan was flawless. Now, I am an undergraduate at the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, majoring in Economics and minoring in Business Management. I chose those majors so I could directly infiltrate and ruin America’s economy in the future. I confess that I have not felt a sign of remorse ever since I have become an agent of the Communist dictatorship in Beijing. I confess. I confess. </p>
<p>Before I am condemned of treason and subversion of the U.S. state, I only have one small request. Just like how Zola so famously defended Dreyfus in his “J’accuse,” I would like to ask my accusers to augment your accusations. Only through your accusations can truth be revealed in its purest form. If there is still a place for justice in this world, I will give my full-hearted support to my accusers, for it is they who make make us see the truth, the ever inconvient truth.</p>
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Haha. I should have known you were a freeper… it’s pretty obvious from your ridiculous posts in the homosexuality thread. And I advise people to stay away from freerepublic.com. It’s a vicious site filled with hate against everyone from blacks to jews to muslims to Chinse to gays to…on and on and on…to the ultimate evil, liberals.</p>
<p>“War is hell, but sometimes you need to break a few eggs to make an omellete.” Typical American ignorance. Indeed, Dr. Stiglitz is right in pointing out that the use of force has become too easy for America nowadays. Just curious, why do you still bother to have the UN if you are all for war and hostility with everybody that’s not in line with your standard American doctrine? Actually, that piece of estate on the 1st Avenue would make a great luxury apartment block (oh I almost forgot… there’s a housing crisis at the moment, so I guess it’s not so profitable to demolish the UN and build a new luxury apartment. Thank goodness the evil Chinese are providing us with much needed sovereign wealth funds to clean up this subprime mortgage mess. Funny, how America’s little adventure in Iraq has also become the first war that is fully funded with foreign money through the selling of Treasury Bonds…by the Chinese government. Seriously America, please don’t mess around with China. I mean, seriously, China’s Central Bank could easily halt America’s mightiest war machines with a simple sell-off of American government bonds)."</p>
<p>Evidently you never own a gun, not even mentioning using a gun or being in the Army fighting for freedom or liberty that Americans stand for. But at least movies will tell you how fast a bullet will go or how fast you can push a button. If you don’t exist, your money will be all our money. This is a military fact.</p>
<p>Please study 10 Bills of Rights in the US Constitution ([Constitution</a> Society Home Page](<a href=“http://www.constitution.org/]Constitution”>http://www.constitution.org/)) very closely before you defend or side with the CCP Chinese government. Would you please describe what right in these 10 Bills of Rights are being enjoyed by Chinese people? So you think Chinese people live a very comfortable, happy, and self-fulfilled life without liberty and freedom as Americans can enjoy? If so, I really plan to give up on this cause as most Americans: becasue it appears Chinese people and their descendants don’t deserve liberty, freedom, and every God-given unalienated human right that the US Constitution grants to Americans. Chinese people deserve that Chinese government tells them what to think and say. Chinese people don’t deserve to choose to believe what they want to believe because everything they can see and hear is being censored and it turns out they don’t know how to think differently from what their government tells them.</p>