<p>1.A strong,rich China is what american don’t want. What Americans want is a weak,poor China.
I’m not trying to say Americans are evil. This is really normal and acceptable.</p>
<p>2.Yes,China has real problems.I never deny that.Censorship in Chatroom is a example.And the biggest problems are environment,huge population oil shortage and inflation.Would you like to help us control these problems?haha</p>
<p>Imprisoned without trial? Any source? Don’t tell me it’s U.S media.</p>
<p>3.Whether Chinese can speak freely basically has nothing to do with Americans.Do you need to use chinese chat room(even I hardly use it)?</p>
<p>Um, I was a former Chinese Citizen
I’ve been living in China for 14 years.
And I hate Tibetan Separatists, not because I buy commies’ propaganda, but because Dalai Lama is THE a-s-s-hole.
What does he do but walking around spreading pretty much nothing.
He is now waging a holy war to recapture Tibet from the infidels, the Chinese. Lucky for him, he is surely supported by a lot of religious fanatics and idiots.
Will you feel happy if the Pope wage a pseudo-nonviolent campaign to recapture northern Ireland from the “infidels?”<br>
If you read Chinese history, then you will know that Buddhists, Confucians, and Taoists are just as bad as Christians and Muslims. They wage wars on each other, they kill each other, what’s more, they hate each other and resent change.
Dalai Lama and his hordes are all from wealthy Tibetan families, they are the former nobles of a theocracy. Now, Tibetans are having a comfortable life, and nobles are very ****ed, why? Because they think 50 years of development in Tibet have deprived them of the opportunity to control and to exploit!
If you want to know the truth, go to China and ask some Tibetans. I think their answers will surprise you</p>
<p>If you are a Tibetan in China, you can pretty much go to the best universities in China with huge scholarship with a fairly decent exam score. Thanks for affirmative action!</p>
<p>Hey Yucca.
I often use Chinese chat room. The one in QQ.
Actually, they have lessen the control months ago.
Before that, the control is very strict, I cannot even type in English phrases such as “revolution in China.”
I think China still has human right issues among many others, but to blame everything on China blindly is to risk a cold-war like confrontation.
China needs change, but such change must be gradual. Unfortunately, China is becoming more and more conservative, government is increasingly indoctrinating Chinese with conservative ideologies exemplified the rising of neo-Confucianism. They are imitating America in that Chinese commies want Chinese to be apathetic about politics…
Hatred towards china will only make this situation worse, because commies will use foreign opposition to Chinese commies as an instrument to reinforce hatred towards foreigners. Commies are bad, and they need to be overthrown. I prefer a 1989 style revolution, but with gun barrels. lol</p>
<p>Unfortunately,CNN becomes the instrument to reinforce hatred toward foreigners.</p>
<p>The funny part is that Commies media always tries to tell people in China that most foreigners are good guys but there are just several anti-china groups.And many naive Chinese in China believe that western people are generally not bad.</p>
<p>Actually,only Chinese who live abroad know that western world is anti-China.</p>
The western world is hardly anti-China, or at least the United States isn’t. Individual people may not like China’s policies, but the government and businesses make too much money from China to dislike them.</p>
<p>Yeah, I can imagine that encountering a realistic picture of China’s gross human rights violations and corrupt bureaucracy must be something of a shock, especially if you’re raised on state-controlled media that tells you the complete opposite. </p>
<p>I can’t believe that you’re incapable of differentiating between “uncompromising hate for the entirety of China” and “hate for a disgusting, intolerant governmental machine that oppresses and threatens its own people.” The former is stupid; the latter is a completely respectable position and the one held by many Westerners.</p>
<p>People will believe in whatever they think they’re supposed to believe, simply ignoring all evidence to the contrary, until the world ends.</p>
<p>Unfortunately,most of so-called"realistic pictures" in western media are not real.</p>
<p>Sure,I am capable.And I know that some people who hate chinese pretend to be the latter one.And then,they can cheat chinese people.</p>
<p>Medias like CNN often tell you the opposite and you can never realize that.You are raised in anti-china western media and you are pretty sure everything you know is correct.</p>
<p>Seeing is believing.The best way to know China is not to believe in either media but go to China and live there for years.Unfortunately,your only source is media.</p>
<p>to jack4640:
I just want to remind you that,you have every reason to hate China,to hate all the people.That’s totally understandable and acceptable.
For examle,if every chinese person uses a little bit more oil(not as much as average american still), the gas price will not be as cheap as 4 dollars/gallon.</p>
<p>You don’t have to pretend to be chinese friendly.</p>
<p>Biased news that appear to be unbiased are actually more powerful than the “state-controlled” media. At least people that are reasonably educated in China know to treat their media as mostly BS. The ones we got here are deceptively powerful. It doesn’t present lie but often half the truth and if you don’t know the other half, you will easily buy into whatever the message the news intend to send or convey and you think you are so well-informed.</p>
<p>When I lived in China, my parents often just switch the channel or turn off the TV whenever the “Central Evening News” is on CCTV-1. Seriously, any Chinese citizen you find on the street knows that the news on CCTV-1 is almost complete BS, except the weather forcast at the end. In China, it’s very easy to distinguish between what is really going on and what is government propaganda. I mean, seriously, the government doesn’t even make the effort to hide the fact that what they show is propaganda. When a piece of propaganda news comes on, we usually just switch the channel to watch something else (usually the movie channel with hollywood movies, or a whole range of other entertainment channels). </p>
<p>You must realize that China is not a monolithic entity. There are people, many common citizens in China who actively criticize their government all the time. Last time I went back, people were publicly making satirical jokes about local bureaucrats and party cronies in a restaurant we ate at. We also saw demonstrators peacefully protesting before the city hall trying to voice their grievances and oppositions towards certain government legislations. Seriously, Chinese society is changing at a very rapid pace on every social and economic front. It is unrealistic, overly simplistic, and tempting to put China into an outdated frame of mentality. Doing that means that you are not willing to come to understanding with the current reality and the constant changes that are taking place.</p>
<p>People often say that I might’ve been brainwashed by communist, nationalist propaganda. Well, I actually spent most of my life living abroad in the most “civilized” nations on earth. I had elementary and secondary education in England and Canada, and I’m now completing my undergraduate degree in economics at a U.S. university. I have held internships with Members of Parliament in Canada, and have interned for the House of Commons in Canada. I’m not sure how to respond to this question of being “brainwashed” when I’ve received all my formal education and formed my world views in western, democractic, and free societies. I thought that in order to fully participate in a democratic society, I should be a fully informed citizen who embraces diverse perspectives and opinions from all points of views, and eventually form my own independent judgement. Embracing the ideals of democracy, I am not here to confront, to cause conflict, or to take sides.</p>
<p>Y’all need to chill out, for real. I understand that this is a sensitive issue, but these are overreactions to my (still ignored) central point:</p>
<p>Criticism of the Chinese government is NOT a criticism of China’s people, history, culture, character or potential for future development. It is exactly what it is: a political critique of a flawed system. </p>
<p>Conspiratorial theories about a secretive media agenda to turn people against China are convenient explanations for your argument, but they’re trite and unsubstantial. Come ON - why all the human rights NGO’s focusing on China? Why all the watchdog groups publishing reports? Are they part of this massive conspiracy as well? What about the non-US media? The BBC and the Economist have both detailed China’s severe governmental issues, and they’re about as sober and unbiased as it can get. You can make a legitimate case for the Western media exaggerating the issues (it sells papers) but this doesn’t change the fact that China’s human rights abuses are real. </p>
<p>Does this mean all Chinese people are brainwashed? Of course not - I’m sure that few people take the state media seriously, as you said. Does it mean that the country still has a long way to go before it has anything approaching adequate human rights measures? Yes. </p>
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<p>You are, if you think you’ve made a single valid point throughout this thread Ni hao!</p>
Well you pretty much brought it upon yourself.</p>
<p>When you say things like “It’s not the media. It’s not American bias (mostly). It’s your messed-up country”, it sure does sound like a direct criticism of China’s people, history, culture, and character. I have no problem with people criticizing Bush or Capitol Hill, but if they said that America as an entire nation was “messed up”, I wouldn’t exactly be a happy camper either.</p>
<p>Technically, what you wrote in bold is correct but in reality, many people merge the two. If you read the news about Tibetian, you’d notice the media frequently use “the Chinese” instead of “the Chinese government”. </p>
<p>Also, when some people think about the negatives of the “flawed system”, they also think of the backwardness that comes with it. It gets really annoying when people say “you don’t have this and that” as if they are more superior. You can’t deny there are people like that. That’s why a lot of Chinese feel repulsive about some of the criticism. Hope you know where some of us are coming from.</p>
<p>BBC is also western media.BBC is not as biased as CNN,but still biased.
Actually,all the political news you can read is biased.If you are looking for unbiased news,you’d better watch sports news.</p>
<p>When it comes to human rights abuse. I haven’t seen any evidence support it,so I can’t give any credits to it.
At least from my own experience in China,I’ve never had so-called human rights issues.</p>
<p>And back to the thread. U.S and western media distorte facts,fabricate news.
This is a fact that couldn’t be more obvious.</p>
