<p>At one point Georgetown either had or was starting a 3/2 program w/ Columbia's Fu school of engineering, but this would mean paying for 5 years and tranferring from somwhere she (hopefully) loves before graduation. Emory has a 3/2 program w/ Georgia Tech.</p>
<p>I think Case has non binding EA. Tulane had a great engineering program and non binding EA, I'm not sure what effect Katrina had on that program (I heard it may have been cut down)</p>
<p>marite: It is not possible to answer this fully as she only knows what she wants. But I'll try to do the best I can.
When I first heard of her going to Yale for engineering I flipped but I do understand her now.
This is how I can best summarize. Her ultimate goal is to become a medical doctor. She loves learning english, science, math and computers. She wanted to have a very broad experience before her medical career. Her interests in engineering are in the area of computers, biomedical and, after she attended a enterprise leadership conference she became interested, in financial engineering.
Her ultimate goal is to bring to public someday a very well accomplished medical facility which is automated state of the art type. That is why she wants to gether knowledge in computers, engineering and now financial engineering before doing her medical degree.
Since I spend a lot of time talking to her I understand where is she coming from and if I think about her ultimate goal she would really benefit more from doing engineering at Harvard, Yale than at MIT or Caltech.</p>
<p>gcnorth : Thanks for informing that case has an early action as that will provide her some relief in terms of applying to many safeties if she gets in.
I'll ask her to look more into it and might take a college visit.</p>
<p>None of my husband's friends talk about movies and literature either. They mostly went to comprehensive universities, but they talk about what interests them (biology, sports, politics).</p>
<p>ParentofIvyHope --</p>
<p>My son, too, was very concerned about getting an excellent, balanced education. The most helpful thing we looked at was a book called "Choosing the Right College". It does a great job of describing the core curriculum at each college and how likely you are to be exposed to the Great Books. Here's a link to it: Amazon.com:</a> Choosing the Right College: 2008-2009: The Whole Truth about America's Top Schools (Choosing the Right College): John Zmirak,Walter E. Williams: Books It may help you sort out some of those options.</p>
<p>BTW, my dh and I are both engineering and pure science types, but we totally agree that a broadbased, liberal arts education is invaluable. And we discuss literature and films constantly :-) Of course, that's one of the "your mileage may vary" things.</p>
<p>Case is known for good merit aid. They have EA, but if she is interested in the Pre-Professional Scholars Program, the apps are due early, but are not EA.
Here's a link with details...
Case</a> Western Reserve University - Application Plans & Deadlines</p>
<p>DH was an accounting/decision sciences major for UG and regretted not taking more social sciences/humanities bacck then. He's been reading to catch up ever since.</p>
<p>S has broadened his horizons considerably since freshman year of HS and has (wisely, IMNSHO) that he wants to pursue more social sciences courses in college. He figures that he's likely to get a math/CS grad degree, and UG will be the best time and place for this exploration.</p>
<p>mathmom: Not necessarily all those who attend comprehensive university will turned out to be well boradminded literal. I didn't go to one but I'm quite different from my peers I do want to talk about literature but I just couldn't. I've pickedup a lot of reading after my D started reading classics and discussing with my wife. But I cann't make up for all that lost time.</p>
<p>Since my D does a lot of reading and she is very well balanced. She has taken not only science math APs but also European, US History and will take Art history along with both english language and literature with spanish language.</p>
<p>So we want that at least she go to an environment where she can find peers who are similarly well balanced. My wife and I have difficult times finding social friends as most of my peers are not broadminded literal and their thinking and the thinking of their spouses reflect that.</p>
<p>We miss the atmosphere of the comprehensive university where the intelect used to be the norm. Being aware of latest social issues was the hip thing. Fighting for a cause was the EC.
My D also picked up this from us. She spends time once a week with inner city elementary school children trying to make them aware of healthy food habits.
So we want her to keep such involvement and it does come with the school environment.</p>
<p>Let me raise a possibility, for the room and also for the OP: What the daughter's rationale and choices (Yale over Cornell, Harvard over MIT, consider Chicago, etc.) say to me -- other than that she is fairly prestige-driven -- is that perhaps she does NOT really want to study engineering, but is saying so in a polite way. </p>
<p>I really don't understand the exclusion of non-UC public universities at all. Michigan -- apart from its favorable admissions characteristics, i.e., relative predictability, merit aid, and a de facto early action program that does not violate Yale/Stanford SCEA rules -- is a flat-out great university, one that easily beats out all of the UCs other than Berkeley and maybe -- maybe -- UCLA in the all-important prestige/reputation dimension. (And it's pretty much a draw with Berkeley and UCLA.) People love love love it, and love Ann Arbor, which is even almost sorta semi-urban (much more so than many of the other places on her lists). Opportunities there are limitless. It's kind of absurd to be a prestige hound and at the same time fretting over some of the schools on that list while turning up your nose at Michigan (or UVa, UNC, Wisconsin, etc.) Being "public" does not mean they have cooties, and anyway I believe that Michigan is actually a hybrid, not unlike Cornell. </p>
<p>With Chicago, it's not just that the college is "weak" in engineering. "Engineering" is a kind of curse word there, shorthand for all the evil things their idea of an appropriate undergraduate education excludes. It gets used in discourse about the college somewhat in the way "communism" was used in American political discourse in the 50s: What we stand against.</p>
<p>"Her ultimate goal is to become a medical doctor."</p>
<p>If this really is true, she is taking the hardest route to achieve this. Medical Schools do not care what you major in - but they do care about GPA. Overall GPAs in any engineering program are lower than that in just about any alternative.</p>
<p>NotReady4Purple is right. The University of Wisconsin has an entire Facebook group called "My Gpa Is Lower Than Yours Because I'm In Engineering." The phenomenon is not confined to Wisconsin, but there are 568 members there.</p>
<p>JHS: Exclusion of OOS public university is only because she doesn't want to go to a public university and if she thinks she will have to go to a public universityt then she will go to instate University of California.</p>
<p>She knows the path thru engineering is tough that is why she is more inclined to choose Yale over MIT as there is much more flexibility there. Yes Columbia is a different story in terms of flexibility.</p>
<p>But Most engineering program she had gone thru for computer engineering and biomedical are very flexible. She has not discussed the difficulty level involves but I'll ask her to look into that.</p>
<p>For the time being she is sure that she will certainly do her medical degree but no one knows that for a certain fact.</p>
<p>She might be better majoring in computer science, since it is not so notoriously hard to maintain a good GPA, it tends to be more flexible, and it fits her interests in computers and financial engineering.</p>
<p>My brother, who is an engineering major, really liked U Mich, far more than he liked Berkeley (although he did also quite like there). He's at MIT, which seems to have turned out much less of a science bubble for him than I had expected.</p>
<p>btw, you can't apply to both Oxford and Cambridge, you have to choose one.</p>
<p>"My son, too, was very concerned about getting an excellent, balanced education. The most helpful thing we looked at was a book called "Choosing the Right College". It does a great job of describing the core curriculum at each college and how likely you are to be exposed to the Great Books. Here's a link to it: Amazon.com: Choosing the Right College: 2008-2009: The Whole Truth about America's Top Schools (Choosing the Right College): John Zmirak,Walter E. Williams: Books It may help you sort out some of those options."</p>
<p>If the "right" college means "right" in the sense of conservative (socially/religiously), then I imagine you'll find that book particularly helpful.</p>
<p>POIH: I understand that she doesn't want to go to a public university. What I don't understand is why someone who is (a) intelligent, (b) ambitious, and (c) clearly interested in prestige would make such a dumb rule for herself. In terms of academic opportunities, educational experience, social experience, AND prestige, there is no night-and-day gap between top-flight publics and the sort of popular private universities she is willing to consider.</p>
<p>I'm pretty much a complete snob, myself, and I would pick Michigan over Georgetown any day of the week, especially with your daughter's interests.</p>
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<p>With that profile of interests, several public universities beat Georgetown, and not for lack of Georgetown trying to build a strong program.</p>
<p>Yup. UMich was on S's list. Georgetown was never on the table. Ever.</p>
<p>^^^: U Michigan and U wisconsin are public school and she won't like to attend one outside California that is why even UIUC is not on her list.</p>
<p>Are ther any good private colleges that have rolling or Early admission?>></p>
<p>If her goal is engineering, UMich, UWisc and UIllinois are all good choices. It sounds as though she cares more about prestige than about really being in engineering.</p>
<p>^^^:she wants a well rounded education which she feels is better at medium size private universities than at public universities.
Certainly her idea is to not become the top engineer but to use her engineering knowledge in her medical career.
For which an ivy school might do a better job. In worst case if she has to toto a public university than UCs are no less than other public units</p>
<p>^^^:she wants a well rounded education which she feels is better at medium size private universities than at public universities.
Certainly her idea is to not become the top engineer but to use her engineering knowledge in her medical career.
For which an ivy school might do a better job. In worst case if she has to toto a public university than UCs are no less than other public universities</p>