Villanova being right next to UPenn

<p>I heard from some sources that firms like Goldman Sachs and all these other Wall Street big shot firms recruit mostly from UPenn.</p>

<p>Now, I've read a lot of great things about the employment prospects of Villanova (esp. Finance), but the fact that it is right beside (not literally) UPenn, wouldn't that kinda, I don't know, make Villanova finance majors seem inferior? Of course, there are a lot of other great job opportunities than the Wall Street companies, but.. I would like to hear what other people think.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>You know, you're right. I hadn't thought of it before, but you're quite correct. Villanova should probably just shut down its business school and slink off into the night.</p>

<p>I have a question for you: Why is it that the president of Goldman-Sachs was quoted in the Wall Street Journal about 20 years ago (as I recall) to the effect that he much preferred graduates of "places like Villanova" to the "Wharton's of the world" because the Villanova graduates knew what they were doing?</p>

<p>Since you ask what I think, I'll tell you. I think you ask very strange questions and make very odd assertions, which you seem unable or unwilling to back up when people ask you for citations.</p>

<p>Anyone else with rational response?</p>

<p>blaney if you have a personal problem with me, please be courteous and contact me privately. The question is very important to me and maybe to others as well.</p>

<p>Blaney's response might have been appropriate given your question. Did you think of that?</p>

<p>Whether Goldman Sachs does or does not interview at villanova has nothing to do with its proximity to Penn.</p>

<p>Happy to discuss this with you publicly since you aired your opinions on a public board. I feel no need to contact you privately, and indeed have no idea how to do so.</p>

<p>My comment was based on the following: You toss off odd questions and assertions and do not respond to requests for clarification. One of your earlier posts was entitled, I seem to remember, "Villanova' Finance Program Rated 34th! Gasp!" Two of us asked for a citation -- a rational response I thought -- but received no response from you.</p>

<p>Now you make a bizarre claim that since what is acknowledged to be one of the finest business schools in the world is within a couple of miles of Villanova, Villanova must surely feel inferior. I simply pointed out to you my sense that Villanova does not experience the inferiority you seem to ascribe to it. (Inferior, I hasten to point out is your term, not one I introduced.)</p>

<p>My final word on this matter is that if you don't want to know what people think, you would be well advised not to ask for their thoughts.</p>

<p>Villanova isn't really that close to Penn</p>

<p>What does proximity to UPenn have to do with Villanova? Perhaps UPenn students feel inferior to Harvard students? Or Harvard students feel inferior to Stanford students? Or Boston College students feel inferior to Boston University students? Regardless of the type of school, it makes absolutely no sense to say that Villanova students feel inferior because Penn is close by.</p>

<p>To be honest, I hope you don't come to Villanova because you seem to put it down a lot. Why would you even want to go to school like Villanova when you could go to Penn because it's just so much better and you'll be able to get a job with Goldman.</p>

<p>its not like businesses and firms are gonna be like....well why would I hire villanova graduates when UPENN is close by- it doesnt work like that. Yes, upenn has an amazing business school but villanova has a well known prestigious business school as well, and plus VU is known for graduating types of well rounded students including morals and personality, that arent found in any other school including penn</p>

<p>Alright guys, let's stop the "reasoning" on this discussion forum. Anyway- thirstyice, if we're talking proximity, then NYU Stern (my school starting this fall) is the best. However, that is very idealist. Your problem is that you are stuck with the notion that there is a hierarchy among schools, when this is simply not the case. Sure some things matter to individuals more than others which leads to rankings, lists, etc., but you can't simply say that one school may feel inferior to another. Point is- if we're going just by rankings, Nova has just gone up over 7-8 places to hold a spot in the top 15 undergrad business programs. If we're going by what really matters- which is a better fit for you- than this is a useless thread. To provide some perspective, I always knew I wanted to attend college and work in NYC. I wanted to go to two schools- Fordham and NYU. I got into NYU, rejected from Fordham, which is supposedly the "inferior" school in the NYC region. Lucky for me, I always preferred Stern over CBA. But there you have it. Choose the school you like better! Forget the damn rankings!</p>

<p>villanova is literally 20 minutes from upenn, maybe a half hour. i went from an information session at upenn straight to a campus tour at villanova, with no stops or interruptions, and they’re very close to each other.</p>

<p>LOL kschmink i thought that was the type of question this was as well, but i guess not…</p>

<p>OP was not suggesting that Novas would feel inferior, but wondered whether they would <em>seem</em> inferior to employers.</p>

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<p>It seems like a reasonable question. It is sort of like how after a baseball player swings a bat with a weight on it, then removes the weight, the bat <em>feels</em> lighter. It is a perception thing.</p>

<p>Don’t know about other posts of the OP. Let’s look at each question on its own merit. There should be back up whenever possible to assertions. I am unfamiliar with anything about Villanova so I am trying to get more data on it.</p>

<p>I am interested in the engineering program of Nova. I notice that Nova enjoys a higher place in its peer group of institutions (10th in colleges whose highest degree is a masters) than UPenn does in its group (32nd in phd granting institutions -look at the latest ranking in the link below).</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/engineering-majors/769210-complete-usnews-2010-undergrad-engineering-rankings-phd-granting-schools.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/engineering-majors/769210-complete-usnews-2010-undergrad-engineering-rankings-phd-granting-schools.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>A couple questions then could be:</p>

<p>*how do employers perceive Villanovans?
…in ENG?
…in Business?</p>

<p>Maybe they see them as better ‘bangs for the buck’ compared to UPenn? </p>

<p>*How do Novans feel about going to school next to their Ivy neighbor? IS there any kind of feelings of inferiority with Novans or superiority on UPenn’s part? At a common bar in town, for example, does the cliche experience occur of UPenn’s Bif (with Buffy in hand) make some snide anti Catholic remark like we see in movies (see Good Will Hunting, eg)</p>

<p>Someone started to talking to me and I timed out my post. Here 's the citation for one of my claims above.</p>

<p>[Best</a> Undergraduate Engineering Programs - Best Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-engineering]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-engineering)</p>

<p>Also, at least one employer, Stanford University, thought a Villanovan grad in engineering was ‘good enough’ to be its president.
<a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/dept/president/biography/[/url]”>http://www.stanford.edu/dept/president/biography/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I happened upon this article. It looks like Villanovans are looked upon by employers very nearly the same as Ivies.</p>

<p>But I wonder if the employers are more regional (NE)? I wonder how a guy who is not of the caliber of the stanford president (probably an outlier) fare in the MW - in chicago where we are from?</p>

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<p>[Which</a> College Grads Earn the Most? - BusinessWeek](<a href=“http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/aug2008/bw2008087_013640.htm]Which”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?)</p>

<p>Funny, I have a daughter at Villanova (engineering) and she goes to UPenn for the parties! If you were to ask her, the kids at Villanova in no way feel inferior to the kids at UPenn, if anything it would be the opposite. Not sure what the employers think though. LOL</p>