Visited Colleges? Help Me Get D22 Started With a Good List

The time has come to get serious about D22’s college search list. Her online searches have been more scattered than with D20, primarily because she has different criteria and without any campus visits, she’s been unable to really refine her criteria. I’ve held off coming here for suggestions while she’s researched schools on her own, some she’s found herself and some I’ve suggested. I’m primarily looking for match and safety options that might ultimately be great fits for her, and I’d love to get feedback and suggestions from people who have had the luxury and benefit of visiting schools and can give a bit more information than what the virtual tours and guidebooks provide.

A bit about her:

4.0 UW; Top 3% in a suburban high school outside Houston; class size 690 or so

Good academic rigor with 3 AP’s sophomore year, 4 this year, and 5-6 next year though she did drop AP Bio this year to a regular science class because of issues with the online teaching and some non-covid medical issues in September.

She’s played 2 sports in high school but is not interested in pursuing in college at a competitive level.

Has had some good leadership experiences with several typical school clubs and one activity outside of school that also ties in to community service.

Started a part-time business last spring that took off during quarantine and over the summer, and it’s really become her main hobby or interest since then. She’s made and saved enough money to pay for her summer trip to Spain with CIEE to practice her language skills (if that happens) while still donating almost 50% of her profits to her chosen charity campaign.

She’s kind, curious, a bit quirky with her fashion (her business is related), independent, self-disciplined, and funny. Teachers have emailed to tell me they find her delightful, appreciate her love of learning and contributions to class, and consider her a leader, which was a bit of a surprise this year considering she’s been completely virtual. She’s not one to sit still and is constantly doing something, like between classes she’s usually packaging sold items to ship or something else for her business.

Despite her class rank and high A’s in most classes she sometimes talks about “the really smart kids” implying that she’s not one of them. I think she views herself as smart and diligent but not tippy top, and that’s ok. She does like to talk about what she’s learning though, and I’ve enjoyed having her at home this year so that she can spontaneously pop in to my office and excitedly share tidbits with me.

Academic interests are a bit all over the place but somewhat coming in to focus. She’s excelled in social sciences but her experience with her business has opened her up to other possibilities she might want to explore. She enjoys reading non-fiction books that I’d characterize as Behavioral Economics but recently finished a book called Walkable City that has sparked a genuine interest in urban planning. If she pursued business I don’t think she’d take a direct path through an undergraduate business school but I see her maybe studying psychology, economics, urban studies, or history and combining her interests.

Lastly, standardized testing is still an unknown. She had a horrible testing experience in October with the ACT where there was a boy who coughed and gagged almost the entire test and she was extremely distracted. Her scores were far below her practice tests. She’s retaking in a few weeks and is also taking the SAT in March but she may need to explore test optional schools.

What She’s Looking For:

  • Really wants an urban location or close access to a city

  • overall size of school doesn’t really matter but would prefer smaller classes with discussion

  • If not in an urban location would like to be able to walk to grab boba tea or coffee or visit a museum

  • Her current dream school is Barnard but dream schools are easy to find and we need help finding great match and safety schools.

  • She has a little wiggle room for her class rank to drop and still be auto-admit to UT-Austin so it could be a safety, though it’s not currently a top choice. Most of the girls she sees from her high school who attend seem to rush a sorority and she doesn’t really see herself doing that. I’d like to encourage her to at least look at Plan II but that’s a huge reach for anyone so I hesitate. She needs good targets and Plan II isn’t a target.

  • Merit isn’t necessary though it would always be appreciated.

  • Seems drawn to places like Boston, NYC, DC, & Chicago

Finally, she’s currently ruled out Tulane because she doesn’t want to go to school in New Orleans (despite loving the city’s history and charm) and Reed (because she considers its graduation rate to be low so she thinks students drop or transfer for a reason and she says where there’s smoke there’s fire). I’ve never visited Reed but still think it would be a good option for her to consider given her independence and personality plus it’s test optional/blind but at this point it’s a no go.

So bring on your school visit knowledge of vibe, campus and surrounding area, student life, etc! My D20 only looked at LACs so my knowledge of schools larger than 3,000 students is minimal. Thank you for your help!

Since her dream school is a women’s college, she should also look at Wellesley, Smith, Mount Holyoke, and Bryn Mawr. Smith and MoHo aren’t in/near cities but Northampton is a great little town with lots of restaurants and things happening. I personally like Vassar a whole lot but the town is kind of ho-hum. How about Occidental as an easier admit? It’s a great location.

Has she considered mid-sized schools like WashU? I like St Louis.

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George Washington would be a likely match. Maybe just not the smaller classes at first. Very urban experience.

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The appreciation students express for their classroom experience at Reed might represent a reason to reconsider the school:

I would add Scripps to the mix since Barnard was top pick for your daughter. My dd was torn between Barnard and Scripps for EA (class of 2025). We couldn’t visit Barnard because of Covid but she had already visited Scripps (and Pomona) while she was a sophomore. In the end, she applied EA to Scripps and was accepted.

Her stats/ECs are very similar to your daughter’s. She wasn’t able to take the SAT because of Covid so went test optional. Scripps is a test optional school anyway – for the last couple of years, not just this year.

My dd was also adamant about wanting proximity to a city. The train gets you to LA from Scripps in 45 minutes (a big draw for my daughter) while the small downtown of Claremont (with plenty of nice coffee shops etc) is walkable.

She also wanted small classes and Scripps has small discussion based classes. Because of the consortium, students also have access to majors offered at the other consortium colleges (Pitzer, Pomoma, Claremont McKenna, Harvey Mudd). There are about 8000 students total across the consortium, though Scripps itself is around 1000 students. The campuses are all walkable to each other.

My daughter liked the vibe of Scripps – it felt like the students were less competitive with each other and more collaborative. No greek scene either, which was a big plus for her.

(we also visited Reed, and my daughter dismissed it after spending the day on campus. Whether fairly or not, she felt that the students did not seem that happy overall. Again, just her impression and sharing it here for what it is worth)

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Macalaster? Twin Cities offers options that may interest her.

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Bryn Mawr, Macalester for matches.
Agnes Scott for a safety.
Kalamazoo, Fordham, Bates, Loyola LA or Loyola Chicago, American?

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OP ruled out NOLA. But I agree with Loyola Chicago (great city!) DePaul?

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Only about 1/6 of UT Austin female undergraduates join sororities, according to section F1 of its Common Data Set.

It hurts me to hear that for a very personal reason: it sounds like our D. What is wrong with our society? No matter how wonderful these young women are, and no matter how much we try to boost their ego, they are always “not smart enough, not good enough, not worthy enough.”
D refused to apply to the very top ones that would actually give us significant FA for that very reason. Considering the fact that she got accepted ED1 to a LAC taking about 1 of 15 female candidates, we think she should have (for FA reasons, if nothing else).
If your finances place you beyond FA even at the very-very top, some of what I am about to write will not apply. Accept apologies for somewhat scatterbrain remarks, you touched upon several different topics I’d try to address:

  1. Recently, a few kids from D’s school (top-of-the-pecking-order public college prep in Chicago) applied to Stanford with a start-up business being their main EC + your D’s stats, and were accepted. Consider it for your REA?
  2. Chicago… I’ve lived here half of my life, and love the city but for kids from mild climates, it might be a sucker-punch shock, kind of like being locked in a freezer in your tank top. Please visit now, walk through snowbanks when it is 20 F and the wind is 30 miles/hr, and see if she still likes it. If she does, don’t limit yourself to Loyola, think about Northwestern too!
  3. Reed - we visited, and it is gorgeous, although the nearby Lewis and Clark College wins the beauty competition decisively. Not urban at all, quite the contrary, the vibes were somewhat similar to Wellesley - a moneyed suburb of a liberal city.
  4. I completely agree with @socowonder - apply to Scripps for all the reasons so eloquently presented. And while you are at it, give Pomona a shot (ED2 if Stanford doesn’t work?). They are famous for loving the unusual, quirky, who knows, maybe she’ll be a great piece in their mosaic?
  5. Go to NYC and see if the hectic pace of the city is something she really likes. For our D, Bernard went from #3 on her list to “no-way” in 3 sunny hours of late summer. Too much. I was shocked because on that day, New York was almost peaceful.
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Yes I agree about Northampton! I visited with D20 and thought it was so cute. I’ll add those to her list. I’d thought about Occidental but have only visited the website. I wasn’t sure of it’s location so thank you for feedback about it. As for Vassar and WashU, neither would be match schools for her, especially WashU, if she can’t get her scores really high. But I agree that St. Louis is a great city. Thank you so much for the suggestions!

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Thank you! She’s looked at American but I’m not sure if she’s dug in to George Washington. I’ll have her take a look!

I agree @merc81 that Reed should perhaps be reconsidered, and it may in the long run.

Thank you so much @socowonder and congratulations to your daughter on her acceptance! Is she planning to attend Scripps? Up until about 6 months ago, we thought that this D would be headed to a California school but about 6 months ago started talking about schools in other big cities. She knows about Pomona only as far as it’s one of the toughest admits and kind of moved on from that, but I’ve watched some of the videos for Scripps and Pitzer and definitely want her to take a look. I think that Scripps takes demonstrated interest into account so she needs to start exploring it on her own.

I wish we could visit to see how it’s all laid out. It’s so hard to visualize how the campuses are next to each other but separate even with the virtual tours. Maybe by summer things will improve for at least an unofficial visit. But it’s nice to hear about the vibe, proximity to LA, and walkability of Claremont. I definitely think she’s a collaborative type and her competitiveness is really with herself. And I appreciate the feedback about your daughter’s experience at Reed.

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Thank you @2plustrio for the recommendation! Actually, Macalester was one of the first visits I did with D20, and D22 came along to visit Mac, St. Olaf, and Carleton when she was a freshman. It was right before Thanksgiving her 9th grade year so I took her with us because she had a few extra days off from school. She wasn’t particularly interested in college visits at the time so I don’t think she got much out of the experience. I love Mac and think it has a great location with a lot of opportunities. I’m not sure if it qualifies as a true match but definitely worth her taking her own look at it.

Thank you @MYOS1634 ! There are some new ones on this list that we’ve never explored so I’ll definitely pass those on to her!

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@ucbalumnus Oh I know it’s a small percentage. I think it’s more of the fact that the people she knows of who have attended all seem to pledge or go through rush so she’s wondering how a student navigates and makes friends at a school that large if they don’t pledge. Without visiting or talking to students about how they make friends and get involved outside of Greek life, it’s harder to break through that perception. It will just take more work to get answers to those questions.

@Driverof3 What were your thoughts about Mac vs. St. Olaf?
I personally like the Mac location better with closer access to Twin Cities but havent been on either campus to get a true vibe (have been in Twin Cities a few times and only driven by and my sons Minnesota choices may be St. Thomas vs. Gustavus but St. Thomas is nearby to Mac).

Seems like at a larger school, it is more likely to encounter a wide range of people with a wide range of interests, compared to a smaller school.

Thank you so much for your extremely thoughtful response, @ArtsyKidDad ! I really appreciate your addressing multiple points.

First, I agree that it’s hard to hear that she doesn’t think she’s one of the really smart ones. I struggled with that myself and it turned into imposter syndrome when I finished my first quarter of law school with top grades and got a coveted summer clerkship after my first year. The anxiety from my fear of imminent failure was very real. I hope your daughter’s confidence continues to grow with her experiences; congratulations to her on her acceptance! She sounds like an amazing kid! I think my D is confident but just really pragmatic but I know she sells herself short in many respects. I think she sees herself as a top student but not THE top in terms of just sheer intelligence, and of course she’s right. There are still 20 kids ahead of her currently in class rank and likely others who just don’t put in the same effort as she does. But she brings other things to the table that she may not see now as important qualities but hopefully will come to learn, and she’s the most resilient of my 3 kids, which I know will help her long term in so many ways.

Second, I want to make sure I am clear about my D’s business. While we’re quite proud of the work she’s put in and what she’s accomplished, she’s not going on Shark Tank or headed to franchising it anytime soon. :smile: She’s worked hard, learned a lot, researched and considered things like ethical pricing because she’s primarily selling second-hand items in a unique way, and developed creative ways to market it–all on her own. I’m not sure what she’s grossed but her net profits have probably only been about $12K, so it’s not something that’s taking the world by storm. The lessons she’s learned have been invaluable to her, and she’s enjoying it, so I think it’s been a good activity and certainly is still worthwhile. I just wouldn’t want to characterize it as something so special that it’s a Stanford-level startup. Now if schools like Stanford are still test optional next year then it might be worth adding some other reaches but I don’t anticipate she’s going to end up in the 99th percentile of testing. Thank you for the encouragement though. :blush:

And I certainly appreciate the comments about Chicago. I worry about her interest in Boston as well. She’s never visited Boston at all and certainly not in the winter months so I think she has no idea what the cold actually feels like. Here we might get one night where it dips below freezing but that’s usually an overnight temp and everyone bundles up when it drops below 45 during the day. Even my D20, who wanted to go where it snows and gets cold, said that after Halloween this fall for her first semester in Saratoga Springs she stopped wanting to go out at night and certainly didn’t walk downtown anymore. We’ll see how her second semester goes. :wink:

Thanks for the feedback and thoughts about the other schools as well. You’ve given us a lot to consider! She’s visited NYC, though it’s been 6 years, so hopefully we can at least return to the city by summer. I agree that she needs to really feel the city around her. Experiencing that in real life is so much different than the video tours or pictures on Instagram. My older daughter feels alive by that pace but my son hated it when we visited two years ago and couldn’t wait to leave (we visited for spring break in 2019 for D20’s college visits but unfortunately D22 was with a friend and didn’t join us).

Anyway, thanks again for your helpful comments and thoughts! I wish your daughter the best!

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