Visual Art Colleges and Programs

<p>you know i was thinking the same thing yesterday......</p>

<p>After attending public school for 7 years i think it's easy to get used to being- well the best. I mean i love my art class and all but, honestly it's really just a bunch of "hipser" potheads who like to draw pretty girls and sniff modge podge. And those who are talented don't think like us at all. i mean weile- what impresses me about your art is not it's technicality (though is is outstanding) but it's individuality and emotion. However, at the same time this scares me- because to tell you the truth your style really does remind me a little of my own. I'm now asking myself is "our" way of thinking so common among cooper applicants? orrrr maybe the reason we're all here is because we think this way...because we're driven enough to google cooper union and come upon this site....i mean, it's not that difficult to find...why are there only three cooper applicants here...this is far fetched...but maybe it's some deep psychological thing....Ah i just don't know.</p>

<p>on this note- just out of curiousity....do you ever worry about majoring in art...and how competitive it is. I'm so used to being "the good one" and it's not that i thrive off of this. Yet, i can't help but feel all self consious when i encounter other people who are talented. i just hope i'll be more inspired than threatened by these types.</p>

<p>wow yeah. some interesting thoughts.</p>

<p>I think that .. we think similarly because there is a certain way that artist-people think, otherwise we wouldn't all appreciate what other artists do, we wouldn't like looking at art and we wouldn't avoid saying things like 'what's the point?' or 'what does that mean?' or 'that's not practical!' I think whata art school does it teach us all to be more individual and give us direction. the most unique artists began fairly normally.. even Andy Warhol, with his earliest soup can paintings, was using the same lines and drips.. the same quality and character of line that most artists seem to share. when someone brought it up to him, he said, 'I'm a painter, I have to drip,' but when they suggested not dripping he said 'yes, of course!' and he stopped dripping.</p>

<p>once someone told me that my personality and art reminded her of an artist friend of hers. I wasn't sure what to make of that but I figured that she was the same 'type' as me. people really do fit rather nicely into 'type' groups, even while they are individuals. I think it's something I'll be grateful for later, that I can fit into a a niche of some sort, have a group I can go back to that thinks like me.</p>

<p>it's funny - I was thinking about that being the best in high school situation before. I used to avoid saying it to myself because it felt haugty, but I can't just deny that, that I am best in the school now. i am not interested in art in the same way that the other art students are. it's just what you said, really.. some are fake hipters.. but most are nice, artistic-minded people that I like talking to, but art is just their.. hobby.. that or they say, 'it is how I express my emotions.' I always felt that saying that 'expressing my emotions' was the sole purpose of art was cheapening it, because it's other things. my art teacher really hit it in his reccomendation letter... he said that there was a difference between an art student and an artsts and he said I was an artist. I wouldn't yet like to call myself that, but there is a difference between the regular hipster arty types and people who just want to do art for life, and we know it. </p>

<p>(you know when people say, 'so-and-so used to be an artist but he quit,' or 'I am going to start drawing?' it sounds so bizarre! (Gauguin and Cezanne are the only exceptions I can think of right now) because how can you quit your own identity? answer: if you never 'were an artist' in the first place.)</p>

<p>about competiton in art.. i feel the same way. there is this one junior is rather good, and it's been freaing me out a bit.. i keep thinking, god, if there's one in every grade, and then four at every high school, and all the high schools in illinois, and all the midwest, and the country... holy crap, where do <em>I</em> factor in?!' I got all antsy when the junior made some oil paintings so I did one. I knew there was no competiton but I pretended there was, and I made a better painting than I ever had before. I do thrive off of competiton but I get discouraged whnever I think about the huge pool of people who have to get out of if you want to go anywhere. how do you DO that?! there's too many people!</p>

<p>ever have people at high school say to you, 'ooo, you're gonna be like some famous artist one day!'? no, i'm freaking NOT! have you seen all the other people?! i feel bad not saying 'thank you' very nicely to them but I'd feel like a moron saying my goal is to become a famous artist. (even though, and i will hardly ever admit this, it kind of is.)</p>

<p>an aside- I didn't actually look this site up myself, my mom was reading somehting to me form it and I said, 'hey, what's the site, gimme the address.' anyway, i've also been wondering where the other applicants are!</p>

<p>Yes, I hear that same thing all the time: “you’ll be famous some day”….it drives me insane, people just don’t get “it”. There are artists and art students all over the world with the same goals, aspirations, and ability as me. My private art teacher (the one who sent 15 to cooper) especially is always saying “we have to keep in touch because i can’t wait to see where you go…..your work will be in museums some day”…this makes me so angry because though one part of me is extremely rational and realizes that it’s more than likely that my work will never support me or get me anywhere; she continues to water this bud of optimism that is continually blossoming in the back of my mind… she encourages the part of me that asks “well what were john currin and delia brown doing at 17 that I’m not”…ah people just don’t realize going into art is REALLY difficult.</p>

<p>Also, like your competition with that junior- I have an unspoken artistic war with a girl my art class. Technically she’s skilled but creatively..eh not… but people probably see her as having equal ablity to me because they just don’t understand art….that’s another thing that drives me crazy…..kittens and flower pots</p>

<p>I have a feeling that in college, I’ll be a bit less competitive because everyone will be good. I won’t worry about proving myself or establishing a name because I think everyone will be in the same boat. Hopefully we’ll inspire rather than intimidate each other.</p>

<p>You know, I feel like we really think the same way. It’s so strange- almost like an epiphany for me..just yesterday I was thinking to myself “so there are actually other high school seniors who know who egon schiele is”</p>

<p>Anyhow I made a photobucket site…</p>

<p><a href="http://photobucket.com/albums/y10/Michaelangelina%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://photobucket.com/albums/y10/Michaelangelina&lt;/a>
(though my work will look like nothing next to yours)
(there’s a link to some of my sketchbook above the paintings and all)</p>

<p>hahaa, that first paragraph, I think I've said that, in similar words. e.g. 'I have a rational side' (my art teacher thinks I'm too rational and says not to concentrate on being a teacher too much after college) but that there's a 'bud of optimism' that gets watered inadvertantly.. (teacher has told me, 'things will happen for you after college,' and i get momentarily hopeful but then the doubt pulls back on it and up and down and up.)</p>

<p>and what are you talking about, your art will look like nothing next to mine?!?! what?! those are good! Looking at them makes me happy, (sitting here smiling crazily, also in an odd mood though haha) I think, thank GOD. I mean, I've been in several precollege classes and every time I've ended up as the 'best' person, but I've known that, no, these aren't the people I'm really competing with! I think, I know there are these good people out there (i see a lot on Deviant Art) but I never seem to meet them! Being 'the best in the class' or being told that has never convinced me of anything because it feels like false confidence. So I'm happy that finally, I just can see it straight-on - here's what other high school students can do.</p>

<p>(one of those people from the Cooper Union livejournal community who got in, I went and looked at her deviant gallery. i like yours better.)</p>

<p>I love the distortions, especially that pencil nude girl one.. you have great pencil & line skills. but obviously, the best part is that there's just brain behind them. the funny thing is.. remember how you said my art reminded me of yours? i'm getting that feeling too. more than that yours reminds me of how I think of art in my head when I think 'art' and 'me doing art' quickly in my head. images like yours seem to have popped in and out.. I don't know. fricking weird.</p>

<p>..partly what's strange about this entire conversation is that I've only had the same type of conversation with my one art-student friend and my art teacher. so wow, yeah, I am so happy I chose to go to art school and not a university because I will love art school, whichever one I end up at.</p>

<p>I've been just hiding in the back reading posts on here. =P</p>

<p>after looking at loads of art work you guys have done, I gatta say, if you guys aren't accepted to Cooper Union, I don't know who would be. and I really mean that. I was taken a back a moment, soaking in all the creativity shown through each pieces. </p>

<p>I was rejected to Cooper union. At first, I was relieved, but sat same time, disappointed in lack of my carefulness to follow a simple direction. but believing that everything that happens serves a purpose in life, I am now enjoying my options of getting to choose a college I will want to attend besides Cooper Union. </p>

<p>I can see where you guys come through 'same style' of art work. I took an advantage of being an asian, by searching korean texted homepages of who were also applicant for CU this year. And I encountered some art works that were admitted 2, 3 years ago. I don't know if what I say might come out wrong, but from the way I saw it, there is a 'style' that flows through the art works, both of admitted students and applicants. it's hard to explain..but I guess, the idea, the creativity, the technique, are what I am generally categorizing as. </p>

<p>and I just wanted to add that- there are some who are also admitted as international students. although it does say on CU's rule that they need to be a resident in US, some use their friend's mailing address to apply from foreign countries. that kind of takes the chances of real us residents getting accepted to cooper. </p>

<p>I'm crossing my fingers for you guys.</p>

<p>for now_ here's my art work , in case anyone wants to take a look what a rejected applicant's portfolio looks like. :) all is welcome to bash and critique on them. I don't mind at all. after all....it already has been unwanted by cooper. haha</p>

<p>oops</p>

<p>Here's the url: </p>

<p><a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/l0ve0fgod/Art%20work/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/l0ve0fgod/Art%20work/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I'm excited for you two. I think the scenerio of where two people get accepted, and one not ... that "one" will most definately be me (Seriously). I mean, I know I'm creative and have interesting/original ideas on things (I think I'm too conceptual for my own good) ... but my technical side, suffers. </p>

<p>yes. you guys will definately get inspiration from your fellow peers. It's competitve, and it definately will make you work all the harder (it's all for the better). I know for a fact that a lot of kids that go to art colleges (<em>cough</em> CCA <em>cough</em>), love the fact that "they" go to art school, and that "they" are an "art student." ... vomit.</p>

<p>high school is nothing but a joke (at least all the high schools in California).</p>

<p>"high school is nothing but a joke (at least all the high schools in California)"
...</p>

<p>at least all the high schools in Washington</p>

<p>I think that wherever we all end up this fall, we should .. hope this doesn't sound creepy or something.. meet eachother. if we're all at schools on the east-coast area, it wouldn't be too difficult. ..you all are the only people I know who know exactly what applying to art school is like and who are thinking seriously about making a career out of art. it just seems like talking to you in person would be as easy as it is online. ..the only people I am not shy around are artists. (is that true for any of you too?)</p>

<p>I'm up for that. Definately. Only if we can bring sketchbooks! It's so hard these days to find people that live in their sketchbooks. </p>

<p>Yes, one of my best friends from work (who sadly is in Vegas now) ... she's an artist ... and I think when we first met, we did the whole, "hi, how are you ... so what do you like to do .. blah blah ... " and when she said she did art ... it's like an instant wavelength change because you get to open up a whole different part of you that most people wouldn't want to understand (this all depends on if "art" fills a majority of your everyday life ... which is probably true for the lot of us). , or sadly, don't.</p>

<p>haha, of course we'll bring sketchbooks :]</p>

<p>loveofgod - I like your art! You seem to have a lot of patience, from what I can tell from your pieces ... sometimes I wish I was patient like that. I hope you get into that other art school you wanted to go to. :)</p>

<p>yeah - where else did you apply, loveofgod?</p>

<p>my favorite of yours is the one on the bottom row, the life study of the guy bent over.. the way you did the skin on the legs and feet is nice, the smooth modeling and the way the shapes relate. (and patience, hah! i have none of it either! I used to have more, actually, I don't know what happened..)</p>

<p>yes....i know exactly what you mean about patience...i think technicalities are my biggest downfall....and yes...i think we should meet also- only i hope it's at cooper union hah...
i feel the same way about only being able to really relate and talk to artists...i'm such a loner at school and even among my friends...it's just so rare for anyone to see things the way i do. I always find myself watching my friends have conversations like they're a television show or something...instead of actually speaking..hah i'm such a weirdo sometimes</p>

<p>o and weile...i wanted to mention ...what i really like about your work is the way you portray a smile- something that i've recently found myself trying to do....whwen i went to cooper for the open house portfolio interview my reviewer told me to play with different emotions....i think you've really captured a great range..so that should def work to your advantage....also that distorted girl is my "map a grandiose idea" with out the blue pre-plastic surgery lines. and the illustration of the girl looking into the mirror with the big black hand up front is my six inches six feet</p>

<p>I'm happy that you noticed the smiles.. i put a lot of thought into them. I sit in front of my mirror making faces until I get the right one, haha. I knew that that was your grandiose idea one (i think the file name said it, hah) but i see that the other makes sense now as six feet six inches. i like how you connected it to just one subject by distorting perspective - and those distorted faces are so well done! man! how did you do them, exactly? did you use a mirror and kind of go at it, or distort pictures on the computer and draw from them?</p>

<p>you say you've been trying to work more with facial expressions - well I've been wanting to do more with angles and perspective. I do too many flat-on views. (had a bit of perspective in my 'viewpoint of an animal' one, but not as dramatic as I want it to be..) almost feel like I'm getting a mini art school experience - I see your stuff and think, ahh, there's what I was trying to do, I've got to.. up my game, see how I can bring something else into my stuff. i like it. makes me want to get things done. (because in high school there's.. no.. inspiration..)</p>

<p>you know, the girl I know who is at Cooper had the same problem with friends that you have. She never felt that she fit in with them and they weren't the same at all mentally. I somehow got lucky because I am close with my friends - two of them like art (not in exactly the way I do, but one of them I can talk to about it pretty well) and the other is a writer, will probably end up published at some point.. we think differently but there are core similarities. I think that the only reason we were able to get to know eachother and become friends is that we met when we were 12. because as it is I have a hard time talking with writer-people or intellectual-people.. they kind of don't listen to me when I talk..</p>

<p>but anyway, she was so happy to go to Cooper because suddenly there were all these people she could talk to.. funny thing about her is.. she used to be a model in Limited Too magazines.. (pre-teen girls clothing store in case they don't have them in n.y I dunno). People used to bring the magazine around to jr high school and say, rolling their eyes, 'ugh, there's Caitlin again.. god..' and she was kind of generally disliked for it. She also got stuck with a group of shallow friends who didn't want to do anything but sit around and drink. (not that yours are shallow, but there was the same problem of non-communication.)</p>

<p>oh, I applied to RISD, Pratt, SVA, FIT and Parson...</p>

<p>oh man. i just feel like i have to join the party. i'm so impressed by all the work you people do. it just blows my mind...hell.</p>

<p>i don't really have terrific technical ability. and there's a certain constriction to my work when i'm doing still lifes. it frustrates me. but...i have a deviant site out now...most of the stuff was from a while ago. i don't have most of the paintings...the recent stuff i've done. it's all at school and i need to recover it. makes me sad. but...</p>

<p><a href="http://obsessiveradiohead.deviantart.com/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://obsessiveradiohead.deviantart.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>i'm a goof with colors. it's basically the only thing i have that gives me any oompf...in painting and all that. i think i'm really detached. i realize that looking at all your work and the intense expression. i admire that. but mostly...i'm an introvert. you know. i stutter...social stumblebum.</p>

<p>anyway, i only just started doing serious sketchbooks....like a month or two ago. it's insane how long it can take to do a small pencil drawing. and loveofgod...it's terrific what you do. and michaelangelina, i love that little portrait of the child. your strokes are so casual and unpretentious. so effective. i haven't seen others. i'd love to though.</p>

<p>sorry if this is invasive.
but i don't think any of you should ever worry about where you're going. inherently...it's there...all of it.</p>

<p>loveofgod,
your renassanice.jpg reminds me of gladys nilsson. the texture. how did you do that. colored pencil and water...it's psychedelic...(not to sound too much like a hip hipster.)</p>

<p>social stumblebum, huh.. </p>

<p>i like the way you talk (online at least.) what's the name 'palpableint' mean? it makes me think 'papa.'</p>

<p>you say on on devart that you don't like pencil, but your one 'shirt' is some nice pencil. Reminds me of Kathe Kollwitz etchings, especially since you darkened & sepiaed it. (fine fine crisscrossing lines!)</p>

<p>and no, not invasive! join our.. party. I forgot that this is indeed public and there could be any number of people just reading all that we say, haa. ..I was actually thinking of creating a new 'Visual Arts' thread because we took this one over.</p>

<p>I see that you applied to RISD. where else are you trying to get in?</p>