Voice and Opera Schools

<p>Preparing for Music School auditions soon. Here's a list of schools I am considering for voice and opera, going to be narrowing it down to the final 6 in the near future. They are based on personal inteterest, recommendation from my music teacher, and my personal voice instructor. </p>

<ul>
<li>The Blair School of Music (Vanderbilt University) </li>
<li>The Chicago College of Performing Arts (Rider University) </li>
<li>The Cincinnati Conservatory of Music (University of Cincinnati)<br></li>
<li>The Cleveland Institute of Music </li>
<li>The Curtis Institute of Music</li>
<li>The Eastman School of Music (University of Rochester) </li>
<li>The Hartt School (University of Hartford) </li>
<li>The Ithaca School of Music (Ithaca College) </li>
<li>The Jacobs School of Music (Indiana University- Bloomington) </li>
<li>The Manhattan School of Music </li>
<li>The New England Conservatory of Music </li>
<li>The Oberlin Conservatory of Music (Oberlin College) </li>
<li>The Peabody Institute of Music (John Hopkins University) </li>
<li>The Royal Academy of Music </li>
<li>The San Francisco Conservatory of Music</li>
<li>The Westminster Choir College (Rider University)</li>
</ul>

<p>Also, here is a list of schools I have cut from consideration. </p>

<ol>
<li>The Boyer College of Music and Dance (Temple University) </li>
<li>The Butler School of Music (University of Texas- Austin)</li>
<li>The Bienen School of Music (Northwestern University) </li>
<li>The Juilliard School </li>
<li>The Crane School of Music (SUNY Potsdam) </li>
<li>The Chapman Conservatory of Music (Chapman University) </li>
<li>The Setnor School of Music (Syracuse University) </li>
<li>The Mannes School of Music </li>
<li>The Berklee College of Music </li>
<li>The Shepherd School of Music (Rice University) </li>
<li>The Carnegie Mellon School of Music (Carnegie Mellon University) </li>
<li>The Michigan College of Music (Michigan State University) </li>
</ol>

<p>Here are my questions:
1. Any recommendations from the top list for the final 6?
2. Any schools from the second list, that should be put back into consideration?
3. Any schools that I am not including...? I only looked at top in the country, but if there are any others that weren't on the list please let me know. </p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>Cincinnati and Jacobs in particular are great choices, they put on 6 fully staged operas and have amazing facilities/faculty. Also Oberlin is top notch, only two operas but fully staged and well done. From what i’ve heard NEC is also a sought after school for voice</p>

<p>Curtis has a rep among current college music majors as a much stronger instrumental school than vocal.</p>

<p>On the other hand, I know some pretty fine vocalists who came from Boyer. I wouldn’t write it off so easily.</p>

<p>On the third hand, Curtis can’t be too shabby for voice since one of their students was named a winner of the Metropolitan Opera 2011 National Council Auditions.</p>

<p>Both Curtis and Boyer have very good programs.</p>

<p>Point taken!</p>

<p>The opportunities open to a voice student studying at Curtis are staggering. I’ve never heard the program denigrated as being not up to snuff with the instrumental program.</p>

<p>I may be mistaken, but I believe this poster, with a changed name, has posted this exact same list before seeking the same advice.</p>

<p>I stand corrected, but here’s a link to a similar thread:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/1067974-music-schools-voice-opera.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/1067974-music-schools-voice-opera.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Which schools will be best for you depends entirely on what you’re looking for in any given school. When i was looking at schools, it was helpful for me to divide the schools into some categories:</p>

<p>Exclusively Arts Conservatories:
Good schools in this category include The New England Conservatory, The Juiliard School, Curtis Conservatory, San Francisco Conservatory, The Manhattan School of Music, Mannes College of Music, Eastman School of Music (sort of) and some others. These schools are almost exclusively focused on the development of their students musically (Eastman does have some other coursework, but the focus is 99% on music.) For some people, that focus feeds their love for music and helps them grow into even better musicians. For others, that focus can be suffocating. I’ve had close friends attend these schools: Some become amazing musicians, and others find themselves dreading their lessons. As a voice major myself, it can sometimes be contradictory to hear a teacher tell you constantly to free the body, when they’re also commenting on your every move vocally. If you attend one of these schools, pressure like that will always be on, but those who survive it will be VERY well off for the wear. If you want a strong choral program as well as a good studio voice program, don’t attend any of these schools. </p>

<p>Conservatory/Liberal Arts Hybrid:
Good schools in this category include Oberlin College, Rice University, Lawrence University (the Wisconsin one), Depaul School of Music, Johns Hopkins University, Bienen School of Music, Blair School of Music, Yale School of Music, and others. These schools still have rigorous studio voice programs, but also are interested in developing singers who are smart in other areas (not that the other schools aren’t, but they do less about it.) These schools offer both strong music programs and acclaimed liberal arts programs. Often, students will double major at these schools between the conservatory and the liberal arts school, to give themselves a better chance at employment as well as make themselves more rounded individuals. These students also often find careers in music, though maybe a little less often than in the conservatories. They, however, have more options for employment, as their degree(s) has more weight than a straight conservatory degree for opportunities outside of music. Be sure to check if these programs are BM or BA programs, as that will determine the thoroughness of your education in music. Some of these schools have strong choral programs, but others don’t. Personally, i’m impressed by Yale, Peabody and Lawrence’s choral programs, and they all have strong studio voice programs as well. Don’t go to Oberlin, Northwestern, or Depaul if you like singing in Choir. Yale’s focus tends to be a little more towards early music, while the other schools are more concerned with opera careers (you can still get a great opera education at Yale, though!)</p>

<p>State School Music Program:
Good schools in this category include, but are not limited to Michigan State University, University of Michigan, Jacobs School of Music, New York University, University of Cincinatti, Illinois Wesleyan University, University of Miami, University of Southern California, and University of Louisville. These schools are strong all around schools because of their vast resources in numerous areas of education. These schools often have strong voice programs with highly qualified faculty (their choral programs are usually so-so.) However, the faculty usually focuses much more on the development of graduate students than on their undergraduates. Don’t get me wrong, there is some great teaching going on at these schools, and the graduate students serve as great role models, but an undergraduate has to have a little luck in getting a teacher who cares just as much about their development as their graduate students. These are excellent graduate choices, but if you are an undergraduate, be careful about who ends up teaching you: it could become a sticky situation.</p>

<p>Liberal Arts Schools with good Specific Music Programs:
Good schools in this category include, but are not limited to St. Olaf College, Millikin University, Luther College, Valparaiso University, Augustana University, Rider University, Emory and Henry University, Brown University, Williams College, Pomona College, and others. These schools typically have strong choral programs, which is exactly what some people in music are looking for. However, studio voice programs in these schools are often tailored to the choral program, so while the vocal training is still fantastic, it’s not really the kind of training that leads to a career in opera. These schools boast academic programs from average to outstanding, and offer degrees in numerous educational areas. They are fabulous schools to start at, and easy to transfer credit from if it turns out that the school is not for you.</p>

<p>Vocal Jazz Programs:
I’ll be honest: i know very little about these programs. I’ve gotten some suggestions from some friends who are interested in vocal jazz, and they like the following schools: Peabody, Western Michigan University, Stanford, and Berklee School of Music. My apologies for not making a more comprehensive list for this category. Some of these schools are members of another category on this list. The capabilities of the schools in other areas vary, take a look at each one individually for more information.</p>

<p>Some Notes:
-I really like the undergraduate-only concept, so i might have been a little biased for it. However, it really does mean less competition for the attention of teachers.
-Educate yourself on the term lengths of each school- quarters can be fast paced and sometimes content gets skipped. Trimesters are a little better paced but make it virtually impossible to transfer in the middle of a year, and Semesters get lots of content in but quickly can become monotonous. Finals for Semester Long Schools are also particularly hard, as a student is trying to remember 18 weeks of content rather than 14, 12, 10 or even 8.</p>

<p>I hope this helps you (though you’re probably done with your search anyway) as well as other students as they go about their search for colleges. None of these categories are better or worse than the other: They each work well for different kinds of people. I wish you great success wherever you’ve decided to go.</p>

<p>Good Luck!</p>

<p>I have heard that Cleveland has a much bigger focus on instrumentalists than vocalists. Also the undergrad program there for voice is not very strong.</p>

<p>Surprised you are not considering Rice as an audition. Rice, along with IU and Juilliard, is considered to be one of the very best schools for opera in the country right now. My daughter just enrolled at Juilliard; however, Rice was her first choice (she was denied). I would certainly recommend putting this back on your list of schools to audition at. The professors there are world class and you could not find better training anywhere else in the country.</p>

<p>I beg to differ with you musicmom84…While the VP program at CIM is not as large as at some schools, they have an excellent department and have hired two new teachers, the young and dynamic expert in Vocal Pedagogy(with a PhD in VP!), Jung Eun Oh, and well-known tenor, Vinson Cole. It’s an academically heavy program. Of course, with the number of faculty who are members of the Cleveland Orchestra (which is considered to be one of the “top 3” in the world), instrumental music is huge at CIM., but recent VP graduates are now at Julliard, MSM, CCPA and other top graduate schools as well as in top YAP placements such as with Seattle Opera. I know that more than a couple of grads of the last three years placed in this year’s Met Council National Auditions…
I’ve known my D’s teacher to make a special trip to school to check on D when she was ill, or to give an extra lesson, even on a weekend. If a teacher is out of town, the kids know that they can go to another faculty member should the need arise. Some teachers host studio parties at their homes and the entire group, faculty and students, have been known to go out to eat, en masse. Because the number of students is smaller, around 60 (counting undergrad, grad, and Artist Dipl) they all know each other and have an opportunity to work together, something that may not occur elsewhere.
Is CIM’s VP program perfect? No way. But it IS evolving with some great faculty and administration members who have vision and who really care.
MusicMan21-Bigger is not always better, especially when it comes to young singers, and frankly no undergraduate should even use the word “opera” when looking at a program. Get a good grounding in Art Song and save the big stuff for later. A voice is a delicate instrument and should not be pushed too far, too early.</p>

<p>good comments, Mezzo’s Mama, though i would disagree with your assertion that the Cleveland Orchestra is widely considered to be one of the top three orchestras in the world. It frequently makes the top 20, but is usually eclipsed by the Concertgebouw, Wiener Philharmonik, Berliner Philharmonic, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and several others.
It is still a very good ensemble, though.</p>

<p>Re: Post #6. Assuming that the OP is a HS student and looking for UG programs, Yale Music School is not an option. It is strictly a graduate program.</p>

<p>@krossk- the rankings are as nebulous as rankings for music schools! And Berlin and Vienna are always among the top three. Gramophone Magazine last did it’s orchestra “rankings” in 2008 and several of that list have lost their conductors or had financial problems. As of now, I know of no one, musician or critic who would place Chicago on a list of top orchestras given the problems with Maestro Muti and there is the huge hype surrounding the LA Philharmonic and Maestro Dudamel which has increased their visibility dramatically. Amsterdam’s Royal Concertgebouw has been a victim of The Netherlands 200 million Euro cut in arts funding. Volatile funding problems in Europe and the revolving door conductor issues in the US have hurt some high profile orchestras, no doubt. And then there’s Cleveland, Gramaphone’s #7 pick in 2008 ,which has had a long history of working with top music directors. Depending upon where you look, their ranking has risen and the ensemble continues to attract top artists to Severance Hall each season. I believe that their importance can be attributed to the long-term relationships that the orchestra has with its music directors: Erich Leinsdorf,George Szell,Pierre Boulez,Lorin Maazel,Christoph von Dohn</p>

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<p>I woud love to know why you cut certain schools. How about UT at Austin??</p>

<p>Bellsmom, on UT Austin, I can say a tiny bit about the school because I just visited this week! </p>

<p>One of my parents is an alum, so that is why I visited. I loved the city of Austin, and most of the music majors stay in a very nice new dorm. When I met with one of the admissions counselors, she was very friendly. She laid out the degree plan for the BM in vocal performance, and answered all questions very well. They do not prescreen, but the entire music school is much smaller than UT Austin itself - only about 350 students! I don’t remember off of the top of my head the number of voice undergrads, I’d have to grab my notes. I want to say the number is about 100, so an entering class would be about 25 in VP. </p>

<p>Admission is not rolling, and faculty rates students using a number system, and all students with a certain rating are admitted and those “below the line” are not admitted. University admissions are also formulaic. Admissions definitely works in favor of the Texas top 10% kids. This was the only school I did not get to see opera scenes or a studio class, but I saw the top level choir sing and they were good. Not great, but they weren’t bad. They looked kind of young for being the top choir. A lot of people came late. We heard one girl rehearsing in a hall briefly, and she sounded pretty good. I’ll probably apply because my parents like the cost, the area, and the fact that if you get a $1,000 scholarship, tuition is waived. </p>

<p>University of Houston has a great program, but the area is sketchy. I sat in on a fantastic studio class. I loved the teacher and all of the students were impressive. I don’t think I would enjoy going to school there personally, just because I did not feel comfortable in the area, it is a commuter campus, and most of the students are Texas residents. Still, I was most impressed with the singers I saw here. Even more-so than I did at more prestigious schools like Rice. (I also visited Rice, UNT, and SMU)</p>