<p>Anyone have any idea or guess as to when USMA might start appointing off of the National Waiting List. I know we might hear as late as June - but what's the earliest we might hear.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>During our visit to WP last week that question was asked by one of the attending parents whose son is on the NWL.</p>
<p>The admisions officer said there were currently about 500 candidates on the list and that it would be after May 1st( the deadline for accepting an offer) before it is known how many, if any, on the waiting list would get offers.</p>
<p>He also reinforced a comment made on an earlier thread. That was that your current position on the waiting list doesn't necessarily tell you how likely you are to get an offer. Other factors, like your relative ranking on your MOC's nomination list can impact your chances as well. For an extreme example, if were last on the national waiting list but second in ranking on your MOC's list of nominees, you would get an offer if the first candidate on your MOC's list declined their offer. The confusing part of the process is that, although the candidate in this example was on the waiting list and received an offer, the candidate in this example would not be counted as a NWL candidate who received an offer. That's probably why the academy says so few candidates on the list get offers.</p>
<p>Maybe someone else has insight into the circumstances under which candidates on the waiting list get offers.</p>
<p>Thanks, Aspen. Still a little confusing but mostly because the Regional Admissions Director hasn't been very forthcoming with information about my son's place on the National Waiting List or MOC list. My son received two nominations - House and Senate. We don't know where he stands on either list - and both lists were "competitive".</p>
<p>You mentioned that one of the parents with a son on the NWL asked at question during a visit to WP. I've assumed that my son can only do an overnight once he's received an appointment. I assume the parent with the question was just there for the day with his son - not staying overnight?</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>Are you sure that your House and Senate both have ranked competitive lists? Some just send a 1st choice and don't rank 2-10. If your regional admissions director won't tell you, you could try calling the same contact person you used to set up your interview with your MOC.</p>
<p>Maybe I'm confused about the term "competitive" but what I meant was that the House Member and the Senator each sent in a list of ten names which were unranked. And it was my understanding then that it was then up to West Point admissions to make the decision.</p>
<p>I think they don't tell you where on the list he is because the ranks will change over time - they need to decide #1 now, but #'s 2-10 float as more info comes in. If #1 declines, the #2 AT THAT TIME is chosen (this is my understanding, anyway).</p>
<p>Not all MOC and /or Senators rank candidates. In our area they are all equal and the candidates were told so. It doesn't help you figure out where you stand and all candidates that we met were very qualified.</p>
<p>As I understand it, most MOC do not rank their nominees and the academies prefer it as such. This allows the academy to select the nominees best qualified in each district or state.</p>
<p>oib1:</p>
<p>Dont know if the candidate on the waiting list stayed overnight. I suggest you call admissions office and ask if a NWL candidate can do an overnight. </p>
<p>Person to call is Ms. Jackie McGurk, Candidate Orientation Visit Program Coordinator, at 800-822-2769 ext. 5760 or her direct number is 845-938-5760.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>Hey guys, just registered on the site, I got a notification a couple days ago that i'm on the National Waiting List as well....Best of luck to us. :o)</p>
<p>are candidates who are on the national waiting list however have been offered the prep school considered high on the national waitting list?</p>
<p>I'm not sure but I think you're only offered the prep school option if there are academic issues that need to be resolved or they think another year will improve athletic skills. My son has no academic issues - good/high SAT score and not being recruited for a sport but played two varsity sports for 4 years each. So - I can only guess that the prep school option is good news and bad new - good that they're interested in you but bad that you probably won't make it off the list.</p>
<p>ugh, I just got a response of my chances... here it is</p>
<p>"Your chances are not very good. Your ranking on the NWL is 469 out of 598. I suggest you focus on getting into college, enroll in ROTC, retake your ACT/SAT to increase your scores, and consider reapplying next year."</p>
<p>Well guys, I wish the best of luck to yah...now for me to choose from VT, VMI, GMU, or ODU.....</p>
<p>Polskadan: Sorry to hear the news but you should do just fine in one of the ROTC programs. Colin Powell came out of the City University of New York ROTC program and he seemed to have done OK for himself. Rumsfeld did ROTC at Princeton. Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard. Given the number of applicants to USMA, it's a crap shoot for most. Good luck! By the way - who gave you your # on the NWL?</p>
<p>thanks for the heads up bondnj. I'm not sure what i'm going to do as of yet...i'm probably going to go check out VMI before I make any important decisions.</p>
<p>The man that gave me my # was</p>
<p>Captain Rob Romans
South East Regional Commander
Department of Admissions
USMA
(845) 938-5726
<a href="mailto:Robert.Romans@usma.edu">Robert.Romans@usma.edu</a> <a href="mailto:Robert.Romans@usma.edu">Robert.Romans@usma.edu</a></p>
<p>Hey Polskaden! Don't get too low. I recieved a similar response from CPT Romans:</p>
<p>Thanks for the email. You are right in your assessment of the NWL, it does
only get larger. Your chances are, unfortunately, not very strong for
admission. While you do have your congressional nomination, there are quite a
few people in your district that would have to decline before we got to your
name.</p>
<pre><code>Don't loose heart. If you want to reapply next year here are some tips: I
</code></pre>
<p>want you to make a solid effort at getting into ROTC at a strong college. Try
to secure your ROTC commander's nomination. Retake the SATs or ACTs. Make good
grades while taking tough freshman courses.</p>
<pre><code>Do this and your chances of getting here next year are much better. You might
</code></pre>
<p>even find your nitch at ROTC. The end results are the same; commissioning as a
2LT and leading troops!</p>
<p>Well that was the end of that. I am still on the NWL, but I think I am going to pull my name off. I got full 4-year Army ROTC's to VMI, VTech, and JMU. I also got an appointment to USCGA. I haven't heard from USNA, but I honestly am assuming a similar fate. One bit of good news however was that I did receive and eye-waiver and was found fully qualfied, so that made me feel better.</p>
<p>I am not really worrying about it though. I really had no clue which service I was interested in, but I feel now that a seabound service is for me anyways, so even if I don't get into USNA (which I would like to), I have absolutely nothing but excitement to go to the USCGA.</p>
<p>Good luck everyone and keep your heads up, it's awsome that we made it this far!</p>
<p>Does anyone know if anyone has yet been admitted off of the National Waiting List? Any word on numbers of those offered appointments who have accepted/declined? Higher or lower than last year?</p>
<p>I don't know yet about NWL candidates.. but my similar question is why the discrepency between some postings and what the website say about NWL... some posts suggest that few get in off NWL, but the USMA site says :
Q: If I have an alternate nomination, can I be admitted?
Yes. The majority of the Members of Congress use a competitive nomination process, whereby 10 candidates are named to compete for a single vacancy. A minority of the members of Congress names a single candidate as their primary nomination, and some choose to number, or rank order the alternates. If you have an excellent academic and extracurricular activity record, however, you have a good chance of gaining admission with an alternate nomination. Each year several hundred of the best qualified alternate Congressional and military service nominees are offered admission from the West Point waiting list.</p>
<p>Also our congressman said that as our district was so competitive that most of his nominees get --at least an offer of admission... last year about 19 people were admitted to the three academies... anyone else here these sorts of things?</p>
<p>I have always found that confusing as well. Here's part of the answer, I believe:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>LOA's (candidates holding letters of assurance) are typically alternates. I don't know how many are given out - let's say 150 (a reasonable guess). That's a large % of the alternates/candidates off the NWL. </p></li>
<li><p>If the primary nominee does not accept, or does not qualify, an alternate gets an appointment.</p></li>
<li><p>The athletic recruits fit in there somewhere as well.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>Because 1 and 3 are committed in advance, these candidates in effect never touch the NWL. But are still "alternates" in many cases.</p>
<p>Add my name to those on tenderhooks waiting on the waiting list. I just found out that my number is in the top 150 of the waiting list of 600. My adviser sounds optimistic though after reading the above notes I'm not so sure that I should be. I'd appreciate any advice from those who are in or have been in a similar situation. Good luck to all.</p>