<p>"Waitlist in many respects is a joke" <-- you're telling me. I got w/l'd at Penn, Tufts, and Wash U (3/6 schools I applied to). Thank god I got into my first choice, or I would've shot myself (McGill).</p>
<p>add another name to the waitlist. i think its more of a diplomatic gesture on their part more than anything and we should all just move on.</p>
<p>I agree. It's sad, because Penn was by far my first choice. <em>sigh</em> But everything happens for a reason, so I guess it just wasn't meant to be.</p>
<p>Oh man, it's pretty discouraging. Considering how popular Penn has become in name, I doubt that the admission committee has overestimated the yield rate this year. </p>
<p>I'm giving up on the M&T program... 3-2 double bachelor's at Columbia is the way I roll. XP</p>
<p>New York, New York! </p>
<p>hey, did anyone get Form 8 in their waitlist letter?</p>
<p>what's FORM 8?</p>
<p>Yeah, I got it...the "final report," right? I have no idea what it's for.</p>
<p>i got it...its just to send your grades at the end of the year if you decide to stay on the waitlist so they can further evaluate you in the very rare chance they use their waitlist or accept more than like 1 person off of it.</p>
<p>ugh this is so depressing....
while all my friends can finally relax after 4 tedious years... i still have all the full stresses of high school. :(</p>
<p>Waitlisted as well. Still hopeful, but expecting the worst...</p>
<p>what if you wont' have a final report because the school stops recording your grades since we're only doing revision for IB exams?
on the letter, it said 'small group of individuals'....900 or so people does not sound 'small' -__-
in the FAQ section, it said that we can send in an additional letter..does that refer to another referene letter from your teach/friends, or a letter written by you, proclaiming your love to the school?</p>
<p>if you are waitlisted, and pay the deposit at another school but then later get in Upenn, does upenn pay back your deposit? i heard uwashington does that.</p>
<p>There is a reason why students like you are having difficulties with college admissions. A whole crop of fraudulent bastards from Korean high schools, with their falsified transcripts, ghost-written essays and recommendations, and completely made-up extracurricular activities are swarming top universities, and to the extent that their admissions to such prestigious schools are rising, opportunities are narrowing for honest, hard-working kids from American high schools, i.e. students like you. </p>
<p>This has been an open secret among Korean international students. Read the following articles for yourself and decide if it requires immediate action from American students and high schools...and the universities. </p>
<p>(1) An extremely representative case of the falsification of "translated" transcripts (in English, created liberally by school administrators eager to send their kids to ivy league schools). Exclusive report by the Hankyoreh, one of the major newspapers in South Korea: </p>
<p><a href="http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/175976.html%5B/url%5D">http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/175976.html</a>
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176484.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176484.html</a></p>
<p>(2) SAT scandal in Korea (exams leaked and then provided to students on the eve of their exam)</p>
<p>On how Hanyoung Foreign Language HS's designation as an SAT exam center privilege was revoked + allegations surrounding the incident
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176737.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176737.html</a></p>
<p>On how 900 SAT exams by Korean int. students got cancelled after ETS found out that serious breaches were made in the storage of exam packets
<a href="http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2007...8123410220.htm%5B/url%5D">http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2007...8123410220.htm</a>
<a href="http://chronicle.com/news/article/17...ecurity-breach%5B/url%5D">http://chronicle.com/news/article/17...ecurity-breach</a></p>
<p>Just to remind you: A few students from the school in question - btw, most of its peers in Seoul and South Korea did the same thing, but were never caught in their acts - still got into Wharton, Harvard and Princeton. </p>
<p>The only way to take care of this situation? Sue the bastards. Sue the universities. Tell the universities to keep, indefinitely, all the records submitted by Korean high school students and match them with official transcripts that can be provided by Korean government if requested formally. Sue the students for their falsified records. I mean.....70 for A? With that score, the student can't even get into low-ranking universities in Korea. </p>
<p>Btw, the high schools also run SAT CR and Writing prep courses during official classroom hours! This is ****ing illegal but they continue to do so secretly. Imagine this: you are guaranteed excellent recoms and transcripts, can make up any spectacular extracurricular activities at will, and are regularly exempted from standard educational curriculum whenever you want to study for SATs. Your school run SAT prep courses during classrooms, and you don't even have to bother to show up in classes. Your essays are ghost-written by professional admission consultants. Unless you are an absolute idiot, you will get into ivy league schools. It's that simple. </p>
<p>Sue the bastards.</p>
<p>It awful how narrow-minded some who obviously applied for Ivyleague unis can become once they face a major setback.</p>
<p>I don't deny that there is a severe tendency in Asian countries to sacrifice everything to get into fantastic US universities, be it money, time or ethical beliefs. Yet your accusations don't explain why many Asian students are still in the top half of the classes in universities which they seemingly only attend because they lied, cheated and were fostered as you put it.</p>
<p>They have a quality, we generally lack: They can work incredibly hard. They sometimes lack the social qualities, might not speak English as well as you do, don't have the creative ability we regard highly but they perform incredibly well not only in hs but also in college and profession. Don't forget: They already have a strong disadvantage as overrepresented minority, and I'm sure that the adcoms know to distinguish between fake and reality.</p>
<p>I didn't make it into the colleges I wanted either, I'm an international from Germany and believe me, we know where your resentiments can lead to. It's simply untrue that social factors don't count towards the admission process. Rich parents pay for expensive preperatory schools while poor kids from "900+ people per class public schools" don't stand a chance in this admission process. I was happy that I had a native proofread my essays, yet nobody could tell me how to write them and what to include. Preperation for SATs? 2 weeks attending the last possible dates as I started this college admission process just too late (for Germany, I still was incredibly early). Should I now get a bonus, just because I was disadvantaged to you Americans? Should my status as an international be an excuse for lacking skills in English which might have caused a worse SAT score?</p>
<p>I don't think so. Personally, I believe in that everyone is the master of his own success. If you fail, it's your fault, if you win, it were your accomplishments. Very rewarding, I can tell you...</p>
<p>The point is: If you always rant when you don't achieve what you aim for, you will end as a bitter alcoholic. College admission is a lottery and don't tell us that you did not know this beforehand. Maybe, you simply didn't work hard enough, maybe you were too arrogant in your essays, maybe you were just unlucky. </p>
<p>Still, regarding your posting, I'm glad that you didn't make it. You don't deserve such schools and you should work on the way you cope with defeats. You will face tons of them in your later life. Go ahead and claim that others are responsible for your inabilities but don't wonder when you don't make history - you are just too narrow-minded.</p>
<p>Sorry, but you and your posting are absolutely not tolerable.</p>
<p>Quite a fair point DavidAlex.. :-"</p>
<p>Minkijohn,</p>
<p>As a Korean student attending a U.S. boarding school, I find your post offensive and misleading at best. While the sources you provide are reputable and your accusations are probably true in some cases, not ALL Korean international students are dishonest and undeserving of their acceptances as you make them out to be. I don't know how much personal contact you've had with Korean international students, but I can say with confidence that many legitimately earn their acceptance at top universities through hard and fair work.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly disapprove of the students who abuse the system as well; at the same time, your bitter accusations are directed towards the GENERAL Korean international student population (or so it seems) and that's what I find unreasonable. The name-calling and hostile outcries ("sue the bastards," anyone?) are especially distateful, and you definitely owe an apology to all rightfully accepted Korean international students who might have been offended by your post (and that doesn't include me, as I was waitlisted).</p>
<p>Next time you make such a bold statement, please take care to specify your target and NOT bash an entire group of students as a whole. Thanks.</p>
<p>I have several q's....</p>
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<li>Grades... Will they be able to look at your final semester grades? My third quarter has gone down from 3.7 to 3.6... crap</li>
<li>Does anyone know many applicants were accepted into Wharton from the waitlist last year? </li>
<li>Can you accept two waitlist offers?</li>
</ol>
<p>Thanks a lot</p>
<ol>
<li>They even sent you Form 8 to submit your final report and though it is supposed to be filed only by July, 1st, they probably would not send it to you if you should only file it after they have made any waitlist decisions (then, they could also send one to the admitted only).</li>
</ol>
<p>So, yes, I think that they will look at your grades but of course they know that you don't push that hard anymore. Yet, in a game where only very few are admitted, it certainly stands out if you perform very well (and thus puts you in front).</p>
<ol>
<li>Yes you can.</li>
</ol>
<p>thx a lot davidalex...
anyone else know about my 2nd q?</p>
<p>I am not sure if they release that information.</p>