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<p>I was waitlisted to Harvard and Stanford (and a few other great schools). </p>

<p>I tried to locate some waitlist information for these two schools, but didn't find much. I also talked to the CC office at my private HS, but didn't get much. I heard from a fellow classmate whose older brother was waitlisted three years ago (and ended up going to Princeton),who said that Harvard's list is a couple of hundred and much shorter than Stanford's (many hundreds). I cannot confirm this information in any way. Does anybody have a reliable source on numbers?</p>

<p>In general, Stanford seems to take about fifteen to twenty applicants off of their list (sometimes less or none) whereas Fitzsimmons at Harvard once said that Harvard targets to take about 50 off their list, but of course, the actual number can range from zero to over a hundred, depending on the yield that year.</p>

<p>On the bright side, both schools don't rank their lists, and the ADCOM reviews the entire group when deciding to extend offers to students on the list.</p>

<p>The truth is, getting off the waitlist at either of these two schools is going to be very tough, and we should not get our hopes us. We can only hope for a lower yield....but that's a bit unlikely. Perhaps we should just go on with our lives and accept our fate.</p>

<p>Does anyone have different information?</p>

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<p>wow, thanks for the info. redsnake.
Would the adcoms give us the # of the people waitlisted if we called them?</p>

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<p>hmm hopefully redsnake speaks the truth...</p>

<p>@ DH9800 - even better! I myself get to add Stanford to my waitlist list...</p>

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<p>The adcom would certainly not give you the # of kids on the waitlist. I heard that Harvard gives preference to legacies at the waitlist stage, but that's just hearsay.</p>

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<p>"The adcom would certainly not give you the # of kids on the waitlist. "</p>

<p>Why not?</p>

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<p>Well, for starters, have you ever seen a # from <em>any</em> school stating how many people get waitlisted? The only # I ever see -- and it's rare, even -- is the percentage of people that get off the waitlist.</p>

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<p>There is a reason why students like you are having difficulties with college admissions. A whole crop of fraudulent bastards from Korean high schools, with their falsified transcripts, ghost-written essays and recommendations, and completely made-up extracurricular activities are swarming top universities, and to the extent that their admissions to such prestigious schools are rising, opportunities are narrowing for honest, hard-working kids from American high schools, i.e. students like you. </p>

<p>This has been an open secret among Korean international students. Read the following articles for yourself and decide if it requires immediate action from American students and high schools...and the universities. </p>

<p>(1) An extremely representative case of the falsification of "translated" transcripts (in English, created liberally by school administrators eager to send their kids to ivy league schools). Exclusive report by the Hankyoreh, one of the major newspapers in South Korea: </p>

<p><a href="http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/175976.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/175976.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176484.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176484.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>(2) SAT scandal in Korea (exams leaked and then provided to students on the eve of their exam)</p>

<p>On how Hanyoung Foreign Language HS's designation as an SAT exam center privilege was revoked + allegations surrounding the incident
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176737.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176737.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>On how 900 SAT exams by Korean int. students got cancelled after ETS found out that serious breaches were made in the storage of exam packets
<a href="http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2007...8123410220.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2007...8123410220.htm&lt;/a>
<a href="http://chronicle.com/news/article/17...ecurity-breach%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://chronicle.com/news/article/17...ecurity-breach&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Just to remind you: A few students from the school in question - btw, most of its peers in Seoul and South Korea did the same thing, but were never caught in their acts - still got into Wharton, Harvard and Princeton. </p>

<p>The only way to take care of this situation? Sue the bastards. Sue the universities. Tell the universities to keep, indefinitely, all the records submitted by Korean high school students and match them with official transcripts that can be provided by Korean government if requested formally. Sue the students for their falsified records. I mean.....70 for A? With that score, the student can't even get into low-ranking universities in Korea. </p>

<p>Btw, the high schools also run SAT CR and Writing prep courses during official classroom hours! This is ****ing illegal but they continue to do so secretly. Imagine this: you are guaranteed excellent recoms and transcripts, can make up any spectacular extracurricular activities at will, and are regularly exempted from standard educational curriculum whenever you want to study for SATs. Your school run SAT prep courses during classrooms, and you don't even have to bother to show up in classes. Your essays are ghost-written by professional admission consultants. Unless you are an absolute idiot, you will get into ivy league schools. It's that simple. </p>

<p>Sue the bastards.</p>

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<p>Considering that Korea makes up a very small segment of the international population to begin with, and considering the fact that at a place like Harvard, they know what's going on, I would not worry about any of this. It is extremely questionable, however, that there are such irregularities that are occurring.</p>

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<p>I'm waitlisted at Harvard, Penn (Wharton), Williams & Dartmouth.. accepted at and deciding between Duke & Georgetown (plus I got into my safeties, but they're out).</p>

<p>I did speak with my GC today, though, and she seemed strangely optimistic about me getting off one of my waitlists (and she's usually very blunt), so we'll see. She mentioned that Harvard took around 12 people off of the waitlist last year, but also said that a huge portion of the waitlist is filled with legacies or connected students that they simply want to send a nice letter to--they can't reject them, but they're not seriously considered in getting off the waitlist either.</p>

<p>I think in the last few years, the Harvard waitlist-acceptance numbers have been 12, 0 & 70-ish, so it's truly just a matter of chance.</p>

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<p>I'm international, could you clarify the meaning of "GC"??</p>

<p>btw, I agree with xjayz. If it's been reported in nwspapers, harvard must know about it. they'll take the schools off the list in the first place.</p>

<p>plus, it's awfully unfair to other nice Korean kids who are truly talented and got in.</p>

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<p>this<em>is</em>my_life: "GC" is an abbreviation for guidance counselor</p>

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<p>P.S. lolabelle:
Yale published a waitlist #: 859.
Amherst published a waitlist # in the Wall Street Journal: 1,450.
Stanford also is releasing waitlist #s, but when I called the guy I spoke to could not remember nor find the sheet with the statistic.</p>

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<p>Dartmouth admissions said that their waitlist was around 700.</p>

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<p>what are the class of 2011 exact waitlisted numbers for Harvard, Princeton, and Columbia?</p>

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<p>harvard i heard is around 700</p>

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<p>Studying Stud >I see. thanks!</p>

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<p>I'm in Harvard waitlist, but I need to submit the commitment letter to BROWN by 5/1. What should I do ?</p>

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<p>Go to Brown!</p>

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<p>I was also waitlisted for Harvard, Princeton, Penn, and Columbia, Which seems to be where everyone else is being waitlisted. I think Princeton is a dead end since it has admitted no one from the last 2 years off the waitlist. Columbia admitted 40+ students last year but i heard that they waitlist a lot more kids than the other schools. Is there hope for multiple waitlisted kids like us?</p>

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<p>Chen89, accept the spot at Brown, and stay on the waitlists. All colleges understand that there will be a "summer melt" in class numbers (there tends to be shuffling around because of waitlist action in May-July). Brown will understand if you get into Harvard. You just have to let them know immediately.</p>