<p>OK, this is news to me.. and hence I encourage u to share more on this exp . so tht students are made aware of all this.....so ur saying tht wustl has manipulated US news ranking...... well i have been offered admission there for my MBA and I am giving away a $16000 scholarship in two yrs. from vanderbilt to be in wustl.... i would like to know more about wustl..couz i would be making a decsion in two days</p>
<p>jh411 is spouting bs....I'de like to see proof concerning your theory?
Are you bitter? Please explain?</p>
<p>WashU's MBA program is much better than Vanderbilt's, so you are making a good decision k12345, if you can afford it. I'm talking about its undergrad ranking, in which WashU truly manipulates its selectivity, mostly by utilizing this Part 1 of the app to make kids essentially apply who might not actually apply.</p>
<p>Not Bitter: Applied ED1 to Emory, but I was considering WashU at the time as well of course. This information is from a private college advisor.</p>
<p>jkh411, u know actually gettin into a prestegious school and a good program is wht every kid dreams off. its not tht i can afford it, but yes i can work it out inorder to get that prestige attached with wustl. </p>
<p>besides would also like to mention tht At the end of the day it boils down to every individual and how he performs and his career goals, and wht he wants from the program. I for one do not reply much on the ranking indexes. Rankings to me is an index tht tells me tht a program is good(mind u i am not talking of it being better than XYZ...but good) ranking are a parameter of checking whether the program is recognized. and i discourage ppl from taking rankings as the only index or lay a lotta importance to it....check for ur career goals and how u "fit" in the program . and then decide,</p>
<p>i welcome ur two cents on my post.</p>
<p>jkh411, </p>
<p>Wash U is a great school regardless of the aformentioned claim!
They are so good to the students...My S loves it there! I'm sure that Emory is also a great college, but don't let your college decision be colored by the belief that WU manipulates the rankings. If you choose to go to Wash U you will most likely have a wonderful 4 year college experience!</p>
<p>My response was only to the title of this thread "WashU Seems Way Overrated in US News." WashU is a fabulous school that is without a doubt a top 20 school. My claim, legitimate or not, refers only to WashU's rank, not its quality.</p>
<p>I hope you choose to go to Wash U!</p>
<p>I welcome ur opinion and encourage u to kindly help me reason my decision ...wht r studying ? I would be pursuing my MBA at either of these unis</p>
<p>Why not call Wash U financial aid office, and tell them that Vandy is offering $16,000 for MBA program, what can you offer me? I know this sometimes works for undergrads, but not sure if this strategy will work for graduate aid? I'm unable to help you b/c I'm a parent of an undergrad, and I'm unfamiliar with Wash U's MBA programs, but I'm sure you can't go wrong at either college. My S absoluetly loves Wash U though!</p>
<p>"This information is from a private college advisor."
You don't have first-hand knowledge about this, so stop repeating this sort of accusations. A private college advisor definitely does not have first-hand knowledge either because he/she was not on the campus visit. He/she heard it from somewhere else, or simply made it up.
Stop this thread now. For those who complain about WashU's ranking, send your complaint to the USNWR.</p>
<p>Here is some first-hand knowledge: I took the liberty of e-mailing WashU the question, since I've been accused of "spouting bs." </p>
<p>My E-mail:
"I don't want to sound rude or accusatory, however, I have heard that if a high school student fills out the Part 1 of the application
(pre-application form) that student is counted as an applicant, regardless of whether or not he/she actually applies. Is there any truth to that?
- Interested Student"</p>
<p>The response:</p>
<p>"Dear xxx,</p>
<p>Students who submit our Pre-Application Data Sheet and/or a Common
Application are considered applicants. By contrast, applicants are not
counted from secondary credentials such as recommendation letters,
transcripts, resumes, or test scores being received; rather, our office
must receive an actual application before the credential is counted as
such.</p>
<p>Since you have likely already been matched with a fall college option, let us know if you are interested in transfer admission.</p>
<p>Have a good day,
Steve"</p>
<p>... Interpret this as you'd like, however, on a thread entitled "WashU Seems Way Overrated in US New" I believe this is an objective response.</p>
<p>This techniques probably applies to all colleges then? How can you be sure that Wash U is the only school that uses this method?</p>
<p>JKL411: The pre-application is part of the application itself, they won't process it if you don't send the $fee or the waiver. Would you send the processing fee to colleges you are not interested in applying?</p>
<p>JKL411 - Most colleges I visited got me to fill out some sort of part of the application after my visits... As for rankings, take a look at Business Week's Undergraduate B-School rankings, and compare them with US News - <a href="http://bwnt.businessweek.com/bschools/undergraduate/06rankings/%5B/url%5D">http://bwnt.businessweek.com/bschools/undergraduate/06rankings/</a> . Olin is ranked #15 by B-week, and 12 by US News. On the other hand, Carnegie Mellon is ranked #16 by b-week, but #5 (I believe) by US News. Georgetown is #13 by b-week, but 26 by US News. What does this tell us? Rankings mean nothing.</p>
<p>If you want some reading on ranking manipulation, here you go:
<a href="http://www.thehoya.com/viewpoint/102505/view8.cfm%5B/url%5D">http://www.thehoya.com/viewpoint/102505/view8.cfm</a>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/opinion/l28cornell.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/opinion/l28cornell.html</a>
<a href="http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F7061EF83E5B0C718EDDAD0894DE404482%5B/url%5D">http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F7061EF83E5B0C718EDDAD0894DE404482</a>
<a href="http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/04/06/news/15115.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/04/06/news/15115.shtml</a></p>
<p>Look at other rankings, and you'll see that Wash U's US News is pretty much in line with everyone else.</p>
<p>I was under the impression that people went to college to get a good education and to have great college experiences. If u are trying to compare schools, dont just look at the rankings, but look at the people that they accepted. All of them are qualified and trust me, just because they get some mail does not mean that they got in. i think that all of this speculation about WashU being overrated is absolutely false, they are just trying to alert others to the fact that they are exceptional institution. I dont know students who are more thrilled about the college that they attend than WashU students. This is one of the most important factors to me. People dont get tricked into coming, they actually have fun and get a great education, is the comparisons really necessary....No, they're not. If u want to make yourself feel better about your rejection or choosing another school, I think u need to find another way.</p>
<p>After reading this thread about WashU's manipulative admissions strategies, and this is definitely not the first time I've heard about this, I feel that I can't respect the school anymore. There is definitely truth behind the claim that WashU is seeking to boost its selectivity ranking, just look at all the junk mail they send out to people who are utterly unqualified to apply. I also suspect that WashU might also be trying to manipulate its yield rate, I personally know one person who was waitlisted from WashU but got into HPY and another person who was waitlisted and is going to MIT. How do you explain all this? It's obvious that WashU is manipulating their admissions stats for the sole purpose of boosting its selectivity ranking.</p>
<p>Well, I know many people with SATs below 650 (each subject) that got in HPY and MIT, maybe is not that WUSTL is over qualified, the others are losing terrain in the admission process.<br>
My S kept all the college's mailings for a year and he weighted all before throwing the pile away; he received more than 70 pounds of paper, besides DVDs and CDs, and more than 80% of it came form Ivies, Stanford, Caltech (they sent one per week), MIT, Duke and all the "Tech" schools. He only applied to four schools; he wasn't thrilled by all the mailings, he did his homework searching for colleges. If kids apply to colleges only because they sent them mailings, that says very little about them, and the adcoms know that and they reject them. The mission of the mailing it's to attract the most qualified and better fit for their school, it's like when you are searching for homes, they show you everything, but only you know your budget and what is best for you and your family.</p>
<p>i guess washu should shut down now since n88x no longer respects em...geez</p>
<p>Im not gonna repeat the same facts ive been making since day one. Go read one of my other posts for the truth. But please, for the love of God, stop posting this ignorant bullish</p>
<p>n88x sounds bitter. I wonder why?</p>
<p>There seems to be undue criticism regarding wash U and the mails it send. here let me point out to u tht everyday on an avg an american household receives 7 to 8 solicitation calls from multinaltionals. to name a few MBNA America, citibank, Jp morgan, etc etc.. now does tht mean tht their products or services are sub-standard ? !! u see well known brands' ( Nike, addidas,levis, coke ,pepsi) TV commercials asking people, luring people to use their product. does tht mean tht their product is sub-standard ???? </p>
<p>only because some uni and let me say all unis including standford harvard wharton MIT duke kelloggs etc etc.. send out mails to students asking them to apply doesnt mean tht they dont have quality students. lemme ask those who claim in this forum to have received such mails whether they have received admission offers from wash U. If they havent applied thinkin tht these schools advertise and hence they arent good in tht case I must say tht u need a lotta rethinking to do couz such an attitude can only be described as juvenile and ignorent. nevertheless.... iam happy tht such student will not apply to the school i wud be applying to :)</p>